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YankeeJamaRican
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Posted: Monday May 22nd, 2006 15:41 |
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The book: hackneyed, plodding, overhyped, over symbolic and wretchedly tedious.
Umberto Eco pre-empted this pseudo religious/historical thriller thing years ago.
Wouldn't see the movie if you paid me.
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Posted: Sunday May 28th, 2006 12:43 |
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Did anyone else really take to the Sacred Feminine theme of the whole story?
From Wiki:
"there is a need to shed light on the role and reality of what bringing reverence for a holy view of feminine power can do not only for individual women, but also for society as a whole
From this perspective, framing one's worldview from a reverence for the Sacred Feminine has the power to change how we interact with the world. For those who embrace this view, the world is a creative place, where life thrives. The Earth, as the home of that life is seen as a sacred place, not one that human beings are called upon to subdue or conquer. For those who believe in the Sacred Feminine the Earth is a place to protect, and embrace.
Philosophically, following the path of the Sacred Feminine calls on followers to embrace somewhat essentialist views of spiritual femininity. Cooperation is valued over confrontation, nurturing over domination, peace over war, creativity over destruction. And while these concepts are reductionist and essentialist, followers believe that these concepts must be brought into balance with the predominant patriarchal power structure in contemporary culture."
Note: this is in no way whatsoever to be confused with feminism.
That's an extremely powerful message that although people are aware of it, in history it has always got lost. The Da Vinci Code revived that idea and it's ironic that people are more interested in criticising the writing style of the book and historical facts. They are there to tell a story - each story has a message and the message of the sacred feminine in the Da Vinci Code couldn't be more in your face but people still miss it. But then in the film what does Teabing say? "It's called scotoma.." (a blind spot) "..and the mind sees what it chooses to see", lol.
Or maybe people just aren't interested. Damn shame if that's the case.
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Posted: Sunday May 28th, 2006 13:19 |
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Isn't it ironic that many of the people attacking this book believe the Bible to be well written and historical fact?
I ask: Where is the evidence to prove the Bible stories to be true? And if the Bible is so well written then why through history has it been misinterpreted to justify wars and genocide? Hmmm..
If Christianity and the Church was such a good thing why are we in a constant state of turmoil bore on religious beliefs? Preachers may be trying to quell the destruction but leaders forever destroy in the name of their Holy God.
How about the fact that we are living in a partiarchal society where the man is the head of the family and title runs through the male blood line? Why did the Church choose this more destructive path by favouring the male (yang) over harmony through respect for the feminine, or yin? Yin and Yang (male and female) are the complementary forces found in all things in the universe. Who is man to decide things can work effectively otherwise?
How are we to turn:
Confrontation into cooperation?
Domination into nurturing?
War into peace?
Destruction into creativity?
We can find examples of all the problems above not just in black society but society throughout the world. We are forever posting about these problems on this board and trying to find solutions when our approach should be reductionist and essentialist.
For a start, if we look at the following (from Wiki) - where I have replaced Yin with female and Yang with male, there are lessons for building more successful relationships. Anyone who doesn't attempt to understand and fulfill any of the messages below are bound to fail.
1. Female and male are opposites. Everything has its opposite—although this is never absolute, only relative. No one thing is completely female or completely male. Each contains the seed of its opposite. For example, winter can turn into summer; "what goes up must come down".
2. Female and male are interdependent.
One cannot exist without the other. For example, day cannot exist without night. Peace cannot exist without chaos.
3. Female and male can be further subdivided into female and male.
Any female or male aspect can be further subdivided into female and male. For example, temperature can be seen as either hot or cold. However, hot can be further divided into warm or burning; cold into cool or icy. Within each spectrum, there is a smaller spectrum; every beginning is a moment in time, and has a beginning and end, just as every hour has a beginning and end.
4. Female and male consume and support each other.
Fermale and male are usually held in balance—as one increases, the other decreases. However, imbalances can occur. There are four possible imbalances: Excess female, excess male, female deficiency, and male deficiency. They can again be seen as a pair: by excess of female there is male deficiency and vice versa. The imbalance is also a relative factor: the excess of male "forces" female to be more "concentrated".
5. Female and male can transform into one another.
At a particular stage, female can transform into male and vice versa. For example, night changes into day; warmth cools; life changes to death. However this transformation is relative too. Night and day coexist on Earth at the same time when shown from space.
6. Part of female is in male and part of male is in female.
This is the kind of thing that needs to be taught in schools and by the Church.
Last edited on Sunday May 28th, 2006 13:21 by Michelle33
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Posted: Sunday May 28th, 2006 13:24 |
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It's an overused plot device in 90% of fantasy writing actually. Most stories involve worlds where women alone can weild magic or supernatural powers... some are neutral with it being both men and women with all the aspects of yin and yang and balance etc, and some have neither... but most involve women as the major magic wielders. A major exception being the Earthsea books written ironically by a woman, Ursula Le Guin. Da Vinci code offers nothing new in that respect.
I thought the movie was Okay, what was tolerable and exciting in the book became kinda dull onscreen but one point really bugged me
The missing orb was "apple"
APPLE??
Sorry but that's just STUPID. What a lame clue! I'm not buying that at all. Why would it be apple? You go from the heavenly bodies like Venus and Jupiter spinning their orbits over his tomb to a friggin APPLE that isn't?
Yes yes yes I know all about Newton and the apple on his bonce but it's still a stupid clue.
An orb over his body
There are the orbs... the planets
They are all there! So what's missing?
An apple! The apple that fell on his head!
AHA!
chuuuuuuuups
Bullsh*t
And why would Da Vinci write backwards in ENGLISH?
Hmph!
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Posted: Sunday May 28th, 2006 13:56 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: It's an overused plot device in 90% of fantasy writing actually. Most stories involve worlds where women alone can weild magic or supernatural powers... some are neutral with it being both men and women with all the aspects of yin and yang and balance etc, and some have neither... but most involve women as the major magic wielders. A major exception being the Earthsea books written ironically by a woman, Ursula Le Guin. Da Vinci code offers nothing new in that respect.
I hear you. I personally don't take to those magical/fantasy themes, I like reality.
I think the theme of balance should always be revered, and retold because people don't get it IMO. This book certainly strives for and has the balance, IMO it's all about restoring the balance.
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Posted: Sunday May 28th, 2006 14:38 |
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Michelle33 wrote: LadyDay wrote:
The Bible teaches that women are not to be marginalised. many stories tell this.
Out of interest, do you know any examples of these stories?
I saw the film...completely whitewashed  Apparently The Priory of Sion doesn't care about black people!
I thought the ending in the film was better than the book's and I liked the historical scenes although I would have liked to have seen a bit more of them. There was a lot of detail to fit in so it was bound to disappoint the book readers.
Hmmm glad i wasn't the only one who thought this flim was crap.....I'm still trying to get over the stupid notion that the decendant of jesus is french and WHITE, what utter bollox......
Then I was trying to reconcile the fact that Jesus's wife is supposedly buried in the middle of Paris ROTF.....geez who writes this sh*te
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