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Posted: Saturday October 16th, 2004 15:11 |
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@Talibah. A woman of my own heart. Did not want to say it. Like you I hardly ever read literature unless it addressing factual stuff I am reading or working on eg "Yardie" or" Yush" and that kind of stuff which provides qualititive insights into factual stuff.
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Posted: Saturday October 16th, 2004 15:26 |
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@ FredB @ TalibaBiko
Initially, that was what I was going to do then I thought again,
The reason why is this:
the purpose was to get us reading things in a group that we would not necessarily read. Everyone has the freedom to choose books they prefer to read at their own lesuire. Sometimes, in life you need to do a 'different' thing. In the future the titles will rotate and be fiction one month, and non fiction the other. But, I do feel limiting reading to certain types of book reduces learning experience. You have made a good point...but reading one type of thing is tantamount to eating the same food everyday, it all becomes a little predictable and boring...
Variety as they say is the spice of life.
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Posted: Saturday October 16th, 2004 22:52 |
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free wrote: @ FredB @ TalibaBiko
Initially, that was what I was going to do then I thought again,
The reason why is this:
the purpose was to get us reading things in a group that we would not necessarily read. Everyone has the freedom to choose books they prefer to read at their own lesuire. Sometimes, in life you need to do a 'different' thing. In the future the titles will rotate and be fiction one month, and non fiction the other. But, I do feel limiting reading to certain types of book reduces learning experience. You have made a good point...but reading one type of thing is tantamount to eating the same food everyday, it all becomes a little predictable and boring...
Variety as they say is the spice of life.
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"Yardie and Yush" I hope in your research you keep 'artistic licience' in mind 
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Posted: Saturday October 16th, 2004 23:24 |
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@Talibah. Talibah Talibah. Oh yeah of little faith but good intentions. Artistic liscence? Novel or literature writers have no monopoloy on fiction dear sis. Nah...You need to know how to approach all forms of evidence critically. Even things people are saying to you via first hand accounts or anectdotes.
But literature is a very powerful tool to get qualitive insights into things which most number crunchers or other forms of approach does not deal with as well. For example while Ellison's Classic "The Invisible Man" is full of creative liscence but his descriptions of factual and social and political stuff is one hundred percent on the mark as is Selvon's classic "The Lonely Londoners", probably the best description of the Caribbean early immigration experience ever, and supported by a whole heap of other evidence, including what we know from parents and our own eyes.
Yardie etc is no different. But an excellent book most of which actually very very precise in socio-economic and cultural shifts and changes, the thinking and norms etc Also the depictions of the women and their relatioships are very close to reality. Only confirms what we know from police data and records and excellent study by Gunts etc. So its about having the experience to use data critically.
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 13:33 |
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@ All - let's not get side-tracked. Let's keep to the topic at hand which is discussing the blacknet book club. Majestic Mike is entitled to his own opinion and I dont think what he said was so outrageopus that it requires us to get off course on this thread.
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 13:43 |
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@Happiness. With respects"You guys need to lighten up. Word. Or we'll be the next race planting bombs all over the place, because of what the white man has done to us, 20 million years ago".
That my sister is presumptious and offensive and actually not directed at you. So you may well not see it as anything. That is your choice and reflects your values.
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 13:55 |
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| @ FB - I'm not talking about my values, Im talking about keeping this thread on course, OK?
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 14:05 |
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@Happiness then I suggest you do that. But not by the means you attempted to employ which was to compound offence. As no reasonable or rational person could appreciate why people would feel put out by such arrogant and presumptious comments,especially when I was talking to Talibah. In fact I did not even see the others comments, as I did not go past his response to my previous post.
In fact it would appear your apt intervention will probably lead to more diversion than if you had not even responded as I finished my comments. But to say you agree with him to dismss what others had said shows your values actually. Because I suggest it was possible to do what you wanted to achieve rather than saying you agreed with him and by extension his values and the offense caused. Having the right to an opinion and the right to offend are two different things. Did you not know?
Think about it...Either your judgement was poor in how you intervened or you values blinded and shape your actions or some combination of both.
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 14:09 |
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| Fred & Happiness: I would like to respond to this person, but Happiness is right we should not allow ourselves to be diverted from what is a very good initiative by Free..so I'm going to copy this pertson's remarks onto a new thread and delete from here as they are off topic..
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 14:13 |
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Hi Happiness.
I want to thank you for coming to my aid.
All I said was that a "Book Club" would be great. Then everyone said that they liked reading "Factual" books, and I said that I like reading everything: fictional, non-fictional, etc.
These boys don't play around at the "Black Forum." Everybody thinks their Malcolm X. They all sound like the same politicians that they profess to hate, ready to jump on any little thing you've said, and take it out of context.
The book that I've read recently, by a black author is called "Life Is Amazing." By Michael Atkinson. You can only get it right now at: trafford.com.
It's about a black man being caught up in this new wave of "Political Correctness." It's quite funny, and it's about everyone on the planet.
Peace & Love.
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 14:26 |
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| Ok all relevant posts transfered, please post your comments on the new thread..and leave this thread for the discussion of the Book club and its workings ok..
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 14:39 |
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@Free
Great idea. i'm so looking forwrad to this as i haven't being able to have a proper read at a book (without it being a textbook) for a while.
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Posted: Sunday October 17th, 2004 15:08 |
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@Free
This is my first post.
I was motivated by your excellent idea. Unfortunately or fortunately I no longer live in UK (now live in Ghana) so don't have access to books as I would like. Did manage to get hold of Beloved from a second hand book store, and have read Isis years ago
But will stay tuned to read others comments on books which are featured
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Posted: Monday November 8th, 2004 07:56 |
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Destruction of Black Civilisation: Great Issues of a Race from 4500BC - 2000 AD by Chancellor Williams
By popular vote is the first book of the blacknet bookclub...Happy Reading !!!! : D
This book is available for purchase on Amazon.com/co.uk or if you can borrow it from your local library...
Remember this OUR book club, not MY book club, which means that you can add your ideas and suggestions here…a group is only as strong as its ideas as a collective…so just because I put the suggestion forward…it does not mean that input cannot come from other sources…
All books will be put to a group vote…if you have any suggestions for books please PM me so it can be added to the next book reading list…
If a book fails to win a public vote, but has a high amount of interest it will be re submitted for voting again.
You do not have to take every book option, please feel free to opt out if you are not interested in a book that is being read.
We are trying to get a healthy balance of fiction and non fiction, although educating our minds is important. We do not always have to discuss heavyweight books – when the books are short works of fiction, we can read as many as 2 books
Books will be decided 3 months in advance, everyone varies in the speed at which they read, this means that those amongst us who read quickly are not slowed down.
All though we are on Blacknet, and we are trying support Black writing and literature. Do not be limited by race, there are many great books out there...so if you do have a book choice that is not by a Black author, but you feel it is a good book…please recommend it!
Start out by meeting once a month and discuss one book only.
· When will you meet and for how long?
At present the meeting day will be set for the second Monday of each month…but it is subject to change
We will select from hardbacks & paperbacks or both, paperbacks tend to be cheaper so we will try to select paperbacks rather than hardbacks
· Don't be too rigid keeping people on topic. As Harold Bloom (considered by many to be America's leading literary critic) says the purpose of a book is
'to get in very close to a reader and try to speak directly to what it is that they either might want out of the book or might be persuaded to see... [to persuade the reader] that certain truths about himself or herself, which are totally authentic, totally real, are being demonstrated to the reader for the very first time'
In other words, the person who appears to be off topic maybe finding a way to express and understand an experience in their own lives - so give them a moment or two before cutting them off!
· Start by asking the basic who/why/what type questions. For example:
o Who wrote the book?
o What do we know about him or her?
o Who are the key characters?
o What do the characters do?
o What is the book about?
o When was the book written?
o When does it take place?
o Where does it take place?
o What did you like or dislike and why?
o What are the key themes of the book?
o How did the book affect you?
· (For Fictional Books) Focus in on individual characters and discuss different aspects, for example - what their actions reveal about them, why they acted that way, whether they are believable, do you relate to them, how would you have reacted in that situation, how do the characters grow during the book?
· (For Fictional Books) Discuss the style that the book's written in. Is it written in the first person, third person or both? Is the story told from one point of view or many, is one 'voice' more believable than the others?
· (For Fictional Books) Project into the future.. discuss what you think would happen to the characters next?
· Compare and contrast with other books by the same author or other books you have read. How does the book relate to current events and your lives? Are the book's themes familiar to you from other books? Be careful that conversations that compare and contrast with other authors or books stay focused on the specific book in question, otherwise the majority of members can find themselves out of the loop listening to two members discussing the relative merits of a book that the rest haven't read.
· Feel free to develop your own questions that you would like to have answered with regards to the book, by the other readers
Do not feel intimidated by language that is used, or the length of posts everyone has a different way of expressing themselves.
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Posted: Thursday November 11th, 2004 17:04 |
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@free
Damn, I am still finishing God Don't Like Ugly
and guess what
glad no one chose it
it is terrible , same ols same ole "black" family crap story.
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Posted: Friday November 12th, 2004 10:11 |
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@Sooofresh...
Poor you, there is nothing worse than reading a crap book...especially with the effort that you made to find the rhaatid thing in the first place...
ahhh
we live and learn
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Posted: Monday November 29th, 2004 14:40 |
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Time is drawing near for finishing up this book...for those of you who chose to read
Destruction of Black Civilisation: Great Issues of a Race from 4500BC - 2000 AD by Chancellor Williams
I hope that you have enjoyed it so far...
discussion of the book will begin on 9th December 2004 so please read as much as you can (if you have not finished do your best and discuss up to the point that you have reached).
The next book to vote for are in the new thread that has started...
The Poll will run for
2 weeks
due to the holiday season and all the of the preparations that you and yours have to make... book club choice will be made on the 16th of December so enjoy it over the festive period...
Bookclub discussion of the next book will begin on the 16th of January!!!
Once again, need all the input that I can get...if you do not like the titles being selected please PM your suggestions to me...
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