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50,000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?

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Posted: Wednesday December 22nd, 2004 23:31

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http://jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

So why do christians not question the bible as they question the Quran?

The above article is a prime example of modern christian teaching which lists many bible errors, contradictions, discrepancies and text changes which are scientifically proven, but the bible is still argued to be reliable and beyond all doubt, Gods word... and the people ask no questions!!

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Posted: Wednesday December 22nd, 2004 23:44

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Why are people so obssessed with other people's religions...surely it makes no sense....follow your path...why come to attempt to discredit someone else...if you wanted a debate that is a trifle bit different...but u come at it already trying to prove the facts that the bible has faults...

Have u done the same for the qu'ran...looked for and found discrepancies...or do u believe and have faith that it is perfect...you see that is the thing with organised religion of any kind it is just that a BELIEF and one persons FAITH in it...

Personally I don't agree with any...don't really need a religion...

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Posted: Thursday December 23rd, 2004 00:00

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just in case you missed it... the debate is.....

"so why do christians not question the bible as they question the Quran?"

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Posted: Thursday December 23rd, 2004 00:09

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Like I said above...works both ways...that ain't a debate really is it...in fact you are actually doing what you claim Christians are doing...go figure...

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Posted: Thursday December 23rd, 2004 00:57

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...thats debatable..... go figure....

btw.. Islam has been questioned and no errors, contradictions, discrepancies and text changes have been authentically found or proven.

http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum26/2531.html

http://www.islaminfo.com/articleview.asp?level=15&catID=2

http://www.beconvinced.com/SCIENCEINDEX.htm

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Posted: Thursday December 23rd, 2004 01:27

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See what I am saying... u are Muslim...see nothing wrong within the religion so why do u wanna talk about the bible when u perceive as no fault in ur own religion...u should be content...why are u not content with that...the religion u follow is perfect...why belittle another....hmmmm...if is not an attempt to recruit...why

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Posted: Friday December 24th, 2004 05:29

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Why...

To inform.....

.........which is a relavant exercise on a religious forum.

If this serves to belittle one religion and recruit for another then so be it. I have merely promoted the truth as it is written and these consequences would be a correlation with it.

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Posted: Friday December 24th, 2004 22:13

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have to agree with chinkie

but promoting that its the truth!?hmmm DONT THINK SO

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Posted: Friday December 24th, 2004 22:41

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umm i diont see why people always want to discredit other religions as mythoughts clearly stated. if a debate was put forward where people can discuss there religious convictions without trying to discredit others than that would be good...otherwise these threads prove worthless.... the devil is a liar.... but God reigns supreme...

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Posted: Sunday December 26th, 2004 01:57

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^^^ you see you missed the point.

Whether there is 50,000 errors, 5000 errors, 50 errors, or a few neglible errors in the bible, the fact is that errors exist and remain in the bible and therefore it cannot be called reliable and the word of god. If the bible is gods word, or inspired by god, does this mean that god made mistakes. If god makes mistakes then it is impossible for him to reaign supreme in the context of being all knowing, all powerful, and faultless, etc., Or.. the bible was written by liars, it is not gods word and is therefore worthless as the word of god.

So my point is "So why do christians not question the bible as they question the Quran?"

Many christians seem to spend much time trying to find faults/errors/discrepancies in the Quran which have not been found in the past 1400 years, when their own "book of god" has errors in it. I do not understand this... this is like failing an exam and then trying to find errors in the paper of the guy that got 100%, when what they should be doing is checking their mistakes to see if they were mistakes, or trying to find the right knowledge that is error free so they can get 100% too.

Is the Bible Gods Word? by Ahmad Deedat.

http://jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html

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Posted: Sunday December 26th, 2004 13:59

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i dont trust the koran is error free especially since you guys praise and worship a dead prophet and not the living God.

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Posted: Sunday December 26th, 2004 16:24

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Ladyday...

You just proved my point. You assume that Muslims make the mistake of worshipping a prophet, when they do not, but you fail to question your own religion which tells you Jesus is god, even though Jesus said he is not!!

"by me own self i can do nothing (john 5:30)"

According to Islamic belief, the Prophet Muhammad was the last Messenger of God. He, like all of God's prophets and messengers - such as Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus -- was only a human being. Christians came to the mistaken assumption that Muslims worship Muhammad by formulating an incorrect analogy - they worship Jesus so they assumed Muslims worship Muhammad. This is one of the reasons that they called Muslims by the incorrect name "Mohammedans" for so many years! Muhammad, like Jesus, never claimed divine status. He called people to worship only Almighty God, and he continually emphasized his humanity so that people would not fall into the same errors as Christians did in regards to Jesus. In order to prevent his deification, the Prophet Muhammad always said to refer to him as "the Messenger of God and His slave". Muhammad was chosen to be God's final messenger --- to communicate the message not only in words but to be a living example of the message. Muslims love and respect him because he was of the highest moral character and he brought the Truth from God - which is the Pure Monotheism of Islam. Even when Islam was in its very early stages, God revealed that Muhammad "was sent as a mercy to all of mankind" - thus informing us that the message of Islam would become very widespread. Muslims strive to follow the great example of Muhammad, peace be upon him, but they do not worship him in any way. Additionally, Islam teaches Muslims to respect all of God's prophets and messengers - but respecting and loving them does not mean worshipping them. All true Muslims realize that all worship and prayer must be directed to Almighty God alone. Suffice it to say that worshipping Muhammad --- or anyone else --- along with Almighty God is considered to be the worst sin in Islam. Even if a person claims to be Muslim, but they worship and pray to other than Almighty God, this cancels and nullifies their Islam. The Declaration of Faith of Islam makes it clear that Muslims are taught only to worship God. This declaration is as follows: "There is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God, and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of God".

Muhammad is no more than an Apostle: many were the Apostles that passed away before him. If he died or were slain will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve him) with gratitude. (Qur'an 3: 144)

Say (O Muhammad): "We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishma`il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes and in (Books) given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (Qur'an 3:84)

ps. since you said ..."i dont trust the koran is error free especially since you guys praise and worship a dead prophet" [ladyday]...

...and this is clearly untrue as muslims worship the one god and not a dead prophet, does that mean you now believe the Quran is free of error.

...........the debate goes on!!

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Posted: Sunday December 26th, 2004 18:56

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the last prophet of God....ummm God's people are still on earth and prophets are still required. i dont see God saying well this is all i have left to offer you. take this mans teachings and this book a voila. there are today many prophets around, muhhamed may have been one but he is not the last.

but in turn you proved my point. as so much emphasis is put in muhhamed i cant see through muhhameds smoke screen.

Jesus is son of God, God on earth. God will send Jesus back to earth to fufill his promise and prohecy.

God is but one

it amuses me the way some muslims try to twist christianity but the devil does have his own workers

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Posted: Sunday December 26th, 2004 19:47

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lol....i notice you have now changed your arguement from your original post of ..."i dont trust the koran is error free especially since you guys praise and worship a dead prophet and not the living God" [ladyday]

to,

"i dont see God saying well this is all i have left to offer you. take this mans teachings and this book a voila" [ladyday]

..again you prove my point. if jesus, god or the bible did not say this then you believe further books or prophets will come. So there was more after the coming of jesus and the bible, hence, the coming of muhammad and the Quran. So why do you not believe.

So either you believe there is more after the bible and jesus, or there is not. if you believe there is, then why do you not consider the quran. if you believe there is nothing after the bible and jesus, then say so. but dont try to be diplomatic, as that contradicts your arguement.

"there are today many prophets around, muhhamed may have been one but he is not the last." [ladyday]

...so who are these prophets?. as i said, muhammad was the last prophet and last in the line of the prophets of god from adam, noah, jacob, abraham, jesus, ets. muhammad was a descendant of this bloodline as a descendant of ishmael the first son of abraham. no new prophet was to come or did come after muhammad. if they have, where are their unfallible claims to be prophets in their own words with undisputable authentic evidence. the quran also states that jesus will return, however, he is not a new prophet.

it amuses me when "christians not question the bible as they question the Quran", and try to twist Islam, but then the devil does have his own workers.

"If only the People of the Book (bible) had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." [Quran 3:110]

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 04:36

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So why do muslims not question the Quran as they question the Bible?

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 06:29

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We do.

Because if the book had errors we would not belive it as the word of god as god does not make errors and has told us in the Quran that it is error free and told us to look for an error if we have doubt it is the word of god or if we think an error may be there. if the book has errors then either the book is a fraud or god is a liar or mistaken. when we find no errors it strengthens our belief that it is the word of god, it is not a fraud, god is not a liar and does not make mistakes, and this has been a continuous occurance for the past 1400 years. therefore when it tells us that Islam is the religion for all mankind and that we must worship Allah and believe Muhammad was his final messenger, we believe. when we read we will be judged on the day of judgement for our good and bad sins, we believe. when we are told to do good and avoid badness and sin, we believe and follow this order.

We have questioned the quran If not more than the bible, as you must understand and analyse your own before you bother with other or call yours the true religion with an error free book. every point has been investigated, and not just by muslims, ....scholars are invited to analyse it whether they are from science, cultural, historical, or other religious backgrounds. this has been a must in light of the 1400 years of claims against Islam... none of which have been proven. it is because others have tried so hard to refute it and compare it to their own religion that Islam's scholars have become so concise, analytic and exact in their understanding or it, and in turn their understanding of the religions of others that have been compared to it, as this then enable one to show the Quran is unique and error free, as others are not and many cannot make this claim. the Quran is the word of god and is a cornerstone of the islamic faith, therefore its authenticity is paramount. i must read and research it to believe... if i do not, then i cannot tell you to believe, and my faith is then weak or invalid.

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 16:07

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chinkkie get over yourself. the way i see it Jesus is son of God, so He is different to this so called prophet muhhamed. muhhamed is dead Jesus is alive. simple tings.

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 18:46

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@Chinkie,

Who sat down and worked out there was 50,000 error's in the bible ? did someone take a computer and do this ? Or was these just learned men that arrived at this conclusion ?.. Did these men approach the book having a biased toward it or against it ?.

The bible purports to be written by men inspired of God, having in them at the time the Spirit of God, or the Spirit moved upon them to write....

So then the men or computers that find these error's are they inspired, do they have knowledge of the same source, so they can decipher the deep meanings of the bible. Or what they don't understand, they merely call it an error ?

Are you a muslim Chinkie ?

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 18:47

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Ladyday.... yes you are correct in that prophet jesus and prophet muhammad are two different people. Both were prophets and neither were god, or claimed to be god. muhammad died on earth as many prophets did, whilst jesus was raised up to heaven by Allah.

(Quran 5:75) "Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!"

(Quran 3:55) "Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

(Quran 4:157-158) "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- "

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 18:54

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For further explanation regarding errors, inspiration errors, compilation errors...etc...

Is the Bible Gods Word? by Ahmad Deedat.

http://jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 18:59

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Another thing... the bible or lets start with the Torah, (The law) was only a school master or guide to lead us to the Christ to come.

If you notice when Jesus came into the synagogue, it writes that he read from the book of the prophets and then He closed the book.

The bible is not trying to be what the Koran attempts to be... it as a purpose only to lead us to Jesus, once a man as found Jesus, an higher discipline than just writings in a book is then required of the believer. Hence God's word to Moses, I will write the law upon their hearts.

The Bible is in no competition with the Koran.... (trust me).

The true writing will translate itself from writings in a book to the living word upon our hearts into the depth of our consciousness.

Hence the Word become flesh again, not with Just Jesus who is the first fruit, but us also, the word will become a tangible substance also to us, it will come alive.

This 50,000 errors, don't you understand that while Israel escaped out of Egypt God caused the there to be a fire which lit the way for Israel, while darkness fell upon the land for Egypt...

this is playing out right now in this present day, for that one book is darkness to some and light to so many in different parts of the world.

50,000 errors, i'm surprised thats all they could find.

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 19:11

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Jamal,

Let me tell you something, God said men prefer a lie more than the truth. And because of this he send them strong delusion. Islam is a strong delusion, and trust me, I don't bat an eye to say it, never will you see me try to entertain the beliefs of Islam...

Why I like the faith I belong to is, it as its birth in Judaism, of which you say you also believe our prophets yet you do not understand the writings of those prophets or the significance of the things they wrote.

All you do is pay lip service, crying Moses PBUH, but not understanding the things which Moses wrote. Speaking of your glorious Koran, while pledging a weird allegiance to men such as Moses whose writings are contained within the Judaic and Christian scriptures, of which you guys sit down to butcher what is written.

I really have no time for them.... God is looking for us to pull out of such battles it is pointless.

you are caught in a heresy but you cannot see it and it is a dangerous place to be in spiritually.

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 19:17

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Just a Voice...

i would agree with what you about bible errors and also say that is my understanding of the bible also. In essence it is a good book, and in essence its teaching ie the teaching of moses and jesus and the other prophets mentioned in it is very good and have done wonders for the people.

My thread was merely in response to those present here that refused to open their eyes to the Qur'an in the same way which is their fair choice, but then move on to says it has errors, lies... etc in comparison to the bible which they think has not. Hence my question, "So why do christians not question the bible as they question the Quran?", particularly since it is widely accepted that the bible has errors and the Qur'an does not.

My veiw is that one cannot get the full understanding, inspiration or benefits from the bible as it is riddled with error and the subjectivity of man that constantly changed, added to and altered it to corrupt the recorded teaching of mose, jesus and the like, and justify their traditions and doctorines, which is historically proven.
Therefore it is better to base a faith/belief on a firm and true foundation as is the Quran and Islam.

However, this is not for everybody and others are not yet ready. Life is a learning process and the constant thing is that things change as do our minds. Therefore there is hope for everyone and in the meantime this does not mean that all non-muslims will burn in hell or not reach heaven, as many are good people, of a good nature, that commit good deeds, and this includes christians and jews, and the Qur'an supports this.

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Posted: Monday December 27th, 2004 19:30

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You can tell me what god, jesus or moses said as you cannot be sure which is the word of god and which is the word of man, scholars, king james..etc.

God said...

"If only the People of the Book (bible) had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors." (Quran 3:110)

The Qur'an replaces the coruppted religions and books that came before it. It is not a new religion, but a re-expression of the true religion of the one god known in the arabic language as Allah.