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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 02:36 |
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CLEANING UP THE MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN,
THE KORAN AND THE BIBLE.
Dr. Darwin would be very surprise and grieve to see how his work was being misunderstood and twisted out of what he originally intended. The same things could be said about the prophets and apostles. Both the Koran ( Muslim Holy book) and the Bible is greatly misunderstood by some readers. In my revelation, I believe that the prophet Mohamed, know that his people would not accept the Jewish form of religion and they would not accept the Christians form of religion either. To prevent his people from being fragmented into many different warlike tribes, he put his revelation down in written form, which would unify the people in one belief system. Judaism hold the Jews together for century. Islam would do the same for the people. But Islam also just like Christianity is being misunderstood. In this article I intend to clear up the misunderstanding between the Koran and the Bible and between Muslims and Christians. The first thing you need to know about religion. (Religions are base on faith and beliefs.)
http://www.rtms.netfirms.com/koran&bible07.html
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 11:18 |
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How dare you.
The first thing we need to know about religion is that neither christianity nor child-molesting Mohammed's religion of Islam is Afrikan. Both were brought to the Continent by greedy arab and white rapists who have pretty much committed total genocide on many groups of East Afrikans- to the point that they don't even think they are Black anymore. The first thing you should know is that our people lived for MILLIONS of years in Afrika and managed to have a wonderful relationship with God. Christianity is barely 2000 years old and Islam isn't even 1500 years old. So neither religion is the "original" anything.
Our suffering as a people is largely due to coonishness- Black people who don't feel they are worth a damn unless they are serving their arab and cracker masters. This takes several forms. Spreading their so-called "religions" is one of the most powerful tools that the slave-minded Negro has today. There is absolutely nothing holy about the arabs, their language (sounds like somebody's hocking up a loogie), their cruel Quran that tells men to beat up on women and lock them in their houses "until death snatches them away -actual quote) OR the fact that arabs are still selling Black people TO THIS DAY AND THIS SLAVERY IS COMPLETELY SANCTIONED BY THE QURAN. Damn what the Quran says! Open your eyes Black people and realize that these folks have you worshipping them and kissing their asses while they spit in your face. Take your nose out of the arab's ass and LOOK AROUND. Not so pretty, is it?
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 12:14 |
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| My bible tells me that Jesus lived in Egypt as a child. He wasnt the "whiteboy" in Egypt. He had to fit in a black country, so he looked similar to the people in the town that He was in. My bible also tells me that Adam was made and lived in Ethiopia. Do you think that white people would mention black countries in the beginning? I promised that I wasnt going to get into a debate but I guarantee you when alot of blacks today who are Christians are not worshipping a white man. Some are but for the most part, no way.
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 12:18 |
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| Excuse my grammar. But I would also want to say this. Yes, blacks through slavery have lost their original languange and culture and family ties. But the miracle of it all is that we never lost God no matter what we were put through as a people.
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 17:22 |
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Assalaam Alaikum
HatHaruHotep
Relax dude, you have been addressed factually, intelligently and respectfully.
All that negative sentiment has NOT proven or refuted ANYTHING.
Relax Dude, Life is Good
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Afri was the name of several peoples who dwelt in North Africa near the provincial capital, Carthage. The Roman suffix "-ca" denotes "country or land".[3]
Other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa':- the Latin word aprica, meaning "sunny";
- the Greek word aphrike, meaning "without cold." This was proposed by historian Leo Africanus (1488-1554), who suggested the Greek word phrike (φÏ?ίκη, meaning "cold and horror"), combined with the privative prefix "a-", thus indicating a land free of cold and horror.
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According to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), during the time of the Roman empire, the term Afrika became accepted as a replacement for the word "Libya" which meant "the land of the Lebu or Lubins in Genesis."
Geographically, Libya meant only the north coast of the Continent and at first, so did Afrika. By the end of the first century A.D., Afrika came to mean the entire Continent. The etymology (origin of the term Afrika) is not so precisely agreed upon and according to UNESCO, its origin is credited to one of six theories, as follows:
One: "The Afarak, also known as the "Aourigha", were a Berber people who lived south of Carthage/Romans. The terms "Afarak" or "Afrika" were used to denote the land of the "Afarak."
Two: Some people believe that the word comes from the Latin adjective "Aprica" which means "sunny" or the Greek "Aprike" which means "free from cold."
Three: The Phoenician root "Faraqua" which suggests " a separation" or in other words, "diaspora." This same root is found in some Afrikan languages, like Bambara (Semetic language related to Woloof and Modern Arabic)
Four: In Sanskrit and Hindu, the root "Apara" or "Afrika" denotes that which, in geographic terms, comes "after" the west. From the geographical position of India, "Afrika" is the western Continent.
Five: Another school of thought states that the word "Afrika" comes from two Phoenician terms, one of which means "an ear of corn", which was a symbol of fertility in that region and the other "Pharikia", which means "Land of the fruit."
Six: A historical tradition states that a Yeminter (Yemenese uh oh an Arab) chief named "Africus" invaded north Afrika in the second millennium and founded a town called "Afrikyah." Others suggest that it is more likely that the Arabic term "Ifriqiya" is the Arabic translation of the word "Afrika."
HatHaruHotep this may shock you but "Afrikan' is Arabic dude, its phonetic roots are Semetic! 
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 17:27 |
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[Saba' 34.49] Say. "The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood neither creates anything new, nor restores anything."
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 17:34 |
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Assalaam Alaikum
HatHaruHotep, come talk to me.....
Bring the 'actual quotes' NOT ENGLISH translations from the Arabic Quran that support YOUR statements:
- "Quran that tells men to beat up on women"
- "lock them (women) in their houses "until death snatches them away"
- "SLAVERY IS COMPLETELY SANCTIONED BY THE QURAN"
HatHaruHotep Im waiting, bring the evidence to support YOUR statements
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 18:29 |
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Hathart!
How dare you!
What you guys really talking about? How do you people get into all this when the article was never talking about such! You see the kind of dankies we had to deal with!
ahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahha
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Posted: Tuesday April 24th, 2007 18:59 |
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DrJames wrote: Hathart!
How dare you!
What you guys really talking about? How do you people get into all this when the article was never talking about such! You see the kind of dankies we had to deal with!
ahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahha
Myths have to be shattered.
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 11:06 |
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This thread is amusing, we´ve got people squabbaling about christianity & islam, about Jesus in egypt.
Yet they reject it´s all derived from ancient khemets sprituality. ALL OF IT!!!.
You even have Jesus going to Egypt with a wealthy relative & only the blind wont admit that Egypt was a great learning centre. no no no they say he went only in exile. comes back and performs egyptian mystery school ritual parodies in the bible and talks about how a person should conduct themselves spritually which is the same or similar message from khemetic sprirituality, hinduism, buddhism etc .... yet most christians not all... ignore this and revert to loving the punisher of the OT.
As for Islam..... the only known group of people to my mind that has their spiritual background completely irradicated were us. The culprits were the arabs not the white man plain & simple, to defeat and enslave any people you have to suffocate them, stop them breathing spiritually to symbolize this, the nose of a monument would be cut off to represent a suffocation and stop the people breathing.
There is nothing bigger and more saddening than to look at the sphinx with its nose cut off and to truely understand what that really is meant to symbolize and lie to us to help them in their battles. Without us they are weak.
I am wait for any sort of standard dualistic polarisation of the opposties response.
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 16:58 |
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Quote from Dr. Richard King…Some students who do well in school also remain mental slaves, for they function as the modern overseer of the ghetto, (plantation), for the modern slave master.
These trained students Many ‘Black’ people lack an understanding of how to use knowledge for themselves individually and collectively for their people. They become as BRUTAL as the slave master and remained tragically pained by their dilema without the will power to transform themselves or participate in the transformation of their collective Black people.
An awake Black person is in control of their mind and by definition will always use their knowledge to transform self and others in the constant pursuit of spiritual and material unity.
It is not enough just to know something. One must have enough knowledge and life experience to bring about change, real change, and transformative change.
No amount of mystification, random discovery, hit and miss research, will instantly define a process that developed over thousands of years.
The transformation of African mental slaves into Africans with self-mastery is a worldwide process of returning to formulative history and records of past achievements, not to copy exact duplicates…ie…GREEKS and ROMANS…but to reclaim that which is of value and which can still be used, with modification in today’s world.
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 17:11 |
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Jay Jay wrote: This thread is amusing, we´ve got people squabbaling about christianity & islam, about Jesus in egypt.
Yet they reject it´s all derived from ancient khemets sprituality. ALL OF IT!!!.
You even have Jesus going to Egypt with a wealthy relative & only the blind wont admit that Egypt was a great learning centre. no no no they say he went only in exile. comes back and performs egyptian mystery school ritual parodies in the bible and talks about how a person should conduct themselves spritually which is the same or similar message from khemetic sprirituality, hinduism, buddhism etc .... yet most christians not all... ignore this and revert to loving the punisher of the OT.
As for Islam..... the only known group of people to my mind that has their spiritual background completely irradicated were us. The culprits were the arabs not the white man plain & simple, to defeat and enslave any people you have to suffocate them, stop them breathing spiritually to symbolize this, the nose of a monument would be cut off to represent a suffocation and stop the people breathing.
There is nothing bigger and more saddening than to look at the sphinx with its nose cut off and to truely understand what that really is meant to symbolize and lie to us to help them in their battles. Without us they are weak.
I am wait for any sort of standard dualistic polarisation of the opposties response.
You still pissed off at the 'whiteman' because he shot off the nose of a statue 1000 years ago?
and your still blaming 'Ehraabs' for enslaving you, because someone told you in a book that they did?
You did mention 'polarization' correct?
"The implications of polarization are that opinions lack the weight of human experience and information, but are instead shaped by limited extremist ideas and agendas"
No transformative value! Meaningless!
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 19:37 |
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Dr. James,
If there is one thing that I have learned from my religion class is that Judaism, Islam and Christianity has the same origins. Islam and Judaism was developed from the Judaism, the are monothesitic and have the same esthologies. With the exception of religions like Buddhism and Hinduism, I have never understood how we think our religions as being so different when it's almost about the same? I admit , when I hear people of certain religion claiming the "truth" about their religions, I have a problem with it. They all can claim the truth since they all originated from Judaism. People don't realize this. I rememered reading the origins of the Jewish and Christian faith and would get confused about it. To me , they were similar and at one point,they were sharing the same religious laws and customs. The only thing that distinguish the religious are man's creations of differing his congregations and traditions.
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 20:08 |
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Sblizzy wrote: My bible tells me that Jesus lived in Egypt as a child. He wasnt the "whiteboy" in Egypt. He had to fit in a black country, so he looked similar to the people in the town that He was in. My bible also tells me that Adam was made and lived in Ethiopia. Do you think that white people would mention black countries in the beginning? I promised that I wasnt going to get into a debate but I guarantee you when alot of blacks today who are Christians are not worshipping a white man. Some are but for the most part, no way.
Just because Jesus may have went to Egypt as a child does not make him African, dark-skinned or anything for that matter. I wish African people would learn their friggin history instead of re-acting out of shiftless Negro emotion. Do you even know the state of Egypt during the purported time of Jesus under Roman occupation? Egypt had not been ruled by an indigenous African for at least 600 years from when the Persians conquered about 600 BCE. Since then, the Greeks with Alexander took over in 332 BCE, and then the Romans later. With all the wars, pillaging, rape, and murder going on, many native Egyptians settled in the South to regroup with the people of Meroe and Kush. Those that didn't were absorbed in the cross-breeding mandated by the Greeks...that's right...the Greeks actually wrote in edicts to cross-breed (or rape) the residual Egyptians.
So just how "black" do you think Egypt was after 600 years of war, rape, pillaging, murder, and of course crossbreeding with Aryans and Indo-Europeans? You can see how there is barely any Native Americans left in the U.S. and it hasn't even been as long as that occupation was up to Jesus' purported time in Egypt.
Basically, if you knew your own history, instead being a Bible thumper, then it would be quite obvious that a lily White man could live comfortably and inconspicuously in Egypt at that time after the Persians, Greeks, and Romans, became the common face in Egypt over 600 years.
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 20:11 |
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Sblizzy wrote: Excuse my grammar. But I would also want to say this. Yes, blacks through slavery have lost their original languange and culture and family ties. But the miracle of it all is that we never lost God no matter what we were put through as a people.
No...we have no idea of what God is anymore with European and Semitic religions. That is why we have collectively been on a downward spiral for the last 500 years. When you don't know yourself, then you surely do not know God.
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MuslimTruthRevealed wrote: Assalaam Alaikum
HatHaruHotep
Relax dude, you have been addressed factually, intelligently and respectfully.
All that negative sentiment has NOT proven or refuted ANYTHING.
Relax Dude, Life is Good
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Afri was the name of several peoples who dwelt in North Africa near the provincial capital, Carthage. The Roman suffix "-ca" denotes "country or land".[3]
Other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa':
- the Latin word aprica, meaning "sunny";
- the Greek word aphrike, meaning "without cold." This was proposed by historian Leo Africanus (1488-1554), who suggested the Greek word phrike (φÏ?ίκη, meaning "cold and horror"), combined with the privative prefix "a-", thus indicating a land free of cold and horror.
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According to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), during the time of the Roman empire, the term Afrika became accepted as a replacement for the word "Libya" which meant "the land of the Lebu or Lubins in Genesis."
Geographically, Libya meant only the north coast of the Continent and at first, so did Afrika. By the end of the first century A.D., Afrika came to mean the entire Continent. The etymology (origin of the term Afrika) is not so precisely agreed upon and according to UNESCO, its origin is credited to one of six theories, as follows:
One: "The Afarak, also known as the "Aourigha", were a Berber people who lived south of Carthage/Romans. The terms "Afarak" or "Afrika" were used to denote the land of the "Afarak."
Two: Some people believe that the word comes from the Latin adjective "Aprica" which means "sunny" or the Greek "Aprike" which means "free from cold."
Three: The Phoenician root "Faraqua" which suggests " a separation" or in other words, "diaspora." This same root is found in some Afrikan languages, like Bambara (Semetic language related to Woloof and Modern Arabic)
Four: In Sanskrit and Hindu, the root "Apara" or "Afrika" denotes that which, in geographic terms, comes "after" the west. From the geographical position of India, "Afrika" is the western Continent.
Five: Another school of thought states that the word "Afrika" comes from two Phoenician terms, one of which means "an ear of corn", which was a symbol of fertility in that region and the other "Pharikia", which means "Land of the fruit."
Six: A historical tradition states that a Yeminter (Yemenese uh oh an Arab) chief named "Africus" invaded north Afrika in the second millennium and founded a town called "Afrikyah." Others suggest that it is more likely that the Arabic term "Ifriqiya" is the Arabic translation of the word "Afrika."
HatHaruHotep this may shock you but "Afrikan' is Arabic dude, its phonetic roots are Semetic!
I highly doubt your last comment about it coming from the Arabic. For one, Arabic was didn't even exist in 2000 BCE. The language didn't exist in some even similar to its present form until the earliest can be is 200 BCE. There were "Afriki" peoples in North Africa over 1,000 years prior so go someplace with that Arabic nonsense.
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 20:34 |
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MuslimTruthRevealed wrote: Quote from Dr. Richard King…Some students who do well in school also remain mental slaves, for they function as the modern overseer of the ghetto, (plantation), for the modern slave master.
These trained students Many ‘Black’ people lack an understanding of how to use knowledge for themselves individually and collectively for their people. They become as BRUTAL as the slave master and remained tragically pained by their dilema without the will power to transform themselves or participate in the transformation of their collective Black people.
An awake Black person is in control of their mind and by definition will always use their knowledge to transform self and others in the constant pursuit of spiritual and material unity.
It is not enough just to know something. One must have enough knowledge and life experience to bring about change, real change, and transformative change.
No amount of mystification, random discovery, hit and miss research, will instantly define a process that developed over thousands of years.
The transformation of African mental slaves into Africans with self-mastery is a worldwide process of returning to formulative history and records of past achievements, not to copy exact duplicates…ie…GREEKS and ROMANS…but to reclaim that which is of value and which can still be used, with modification in today’s world.
I can't believe you are quoting Richard King...the same guy that wrote Melanin, African Origin of Biological Psychiatry, and others?...LOL. The man is perhaps the most unscientific researcher I have ever witnessed, making spurious assertions, seldom citing sources that brought him to his conclusions, and just an all around severely misguided African. The problem with some people like King is that under the 500 years (or 1400 years of Arab influence) of White Supremacy programming, we must be de-programmed before we are re-programmed. That is King's problem. He was never de-programmed, and so his whole line of thinking is the same as the European. He simply takes the White Supremacist philosophical structure and turns it upside-down to put Black on top and White on the bottom. His philosophies are no better than a Nazi's.
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Sblizzy wrote: My bible tells me that Jesus lived in Egypt as a child. He wasnt the "whiteboy" in Egypt. He had to fit in a black country, so he looked similar to the people in the town that He was in. My bible also tells me that Adam was made and lived in Ethiopia. Do you think that white people would mention black countries in the beginning? I promised that I wasnt going to get into a debate but I guarantee you when alot of blacks today who are Christians are not worshipping a white man. Some are but for the most part, no way.
Just because Jesus may have went to Egypt as a child does not make him African, dark-skinned or anything for that matter. I wish African people would learn their friggin history instead of re-acting out of shiftless Negro emotion. Do you even know the state of Egypt during the purported time of Jesus under Roman occupation? Egypt had not been ruled by an indigenous African for at least 600 years from when the Persians conquered about 600 BCE. Since then, the Greeks with Alexander took over in 332 BCE, and then the Romans later. With all the wars, pillaging, rape, and murder going on, many native Egyptians settled in the South to regroup with the people of Meroe and Kush. Those that didn't were absorbed in the cross-breeding mandated by the Greeks...that's right...the Greeks actually wrote in edicts to cross-breed (or rape) the residual Egyptians.
So just how "black" do you think Egypt was after 600 years of war, rape, pillaging, murder, and of course crossbreeding with Aryans and Indo-Europeans? You can see how there is barely any Native Americans left in the U.S. and it hasn't even been as long as that occupation was up to Jesus' purported time in Egypt.
Basically, if you knew your own history, instead being a Bible thumper, then it would be quite obvious that a lily White man could live comfortably and inconspicuously in Egypt at that time after the Persians, Greeks, and Romans, became the common face in Egypt over 600 years.
Respectfully I will take the bible thumping title as a compliment. Thats how much I love my God. People who arent in my faith shouldnt understand because they are looking in from the outside and will automatically call me a thumper or a fanatic, or lable me and other saints but that's cool. Its an honor to seek His kingdom..I will say this and leave it alone. Not one of us were there 2000 and 1500 years ago. I know that I wasnt. Nor am I a world historian. Just a soldier on the battlefield.........
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Sblizzy wrote:
Respectfully I will take the bible thumping title as a compliment. Thats how much I love my God. People who arent in my faith shouldnt understand because they are looking in from the outside and will automatically call me a thumper or a fanatic, or lable me and other saints but that's cool. Its an honor to seek His kingdom..I will say this and leave it alone. Not one of us were there 2000 and 1500 years ago. I know that I wasnt. Nor am I a world historian. Just a soldier on the battlefield.........
Now you want to cop out with the "no one was there" comment. It's cool, I'll leave that alone...but it is puzzling again like in your avatar of Jesus is completely contradictory to that of the Bible says and implies...
For one, Paul stated:
Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him ~I Corinthians 11:14
Do you think Paul would have written such a thing if Jesus had long hair as you have depicted in your avatar? Secondly, let's turn back to the Tanakh where the Hebrews wrote the following:
Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. ~Jeremiah 13:23
What a peculiar statement to come from a people that were supposed to be of African descent. I doubt the Hebrews were comment on the skin color of Ethiopians (which we all know is ethnically "black") with such peculiarity if they in fact were people of African descent themselves.
Last edited on Wednesday April 25th, 2007 22:03 by Shemsi en Tehuti
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 22:30 |
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| You won Shemshi......no arguement here. I just go by whats described in the book of Jesus and portraits of his darkness which of ancient relics. The portrait in my avator is an ancient relic so someone other than me from another country long ago picture Him as such. I will never argue about the bible with anyone........Nope!!!
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Posted: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 22:41 |
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