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Posted: Monday May 30th, 2005 15:32 |
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God was around before any bibles were printed. Let's take that as a given then, how did people worship God?
Did they worship God? Or would you say that the lifestyle of humans was according to how God wanted it to be, therefore there was no need for any bible?
If that is the case, were we all of one mind at least at one point?
Did our different concepts of God today, only evolved according to the cultures humans found themselves in?
Now there are several bibles. Every one of them claiming to be the word of God.
Imagine if today, all bibles were banned. 'Religion' would still be allowed, but there are just no published/printed form of any religous documents.
Would we start worship in more different ways?
Would it matter?
How much then are we dependent on bibles for our 'religous', (for want of a better word), lifestyle and doctrine, rather than say what the God in our hearts wants?
These are open questions generally to encourage debate on what EXACTLY are 'religous' people following.
Is it bibles' or God?
If they are so interlinked so as to become inseperable, does that mean humans were not really 'with' God before any of them were printed? What do you think would happen if the world ran out of ink or anything that could be used to print with?
So just what would eventually happen to 'religions' if all bibles were banned as of from today?
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Posted: Monday May 30th, 2005 22:40 |
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THE WORD EXISTED BEFORE PAPER AND INK, IT WAS WRITTEN AND SETTLED IN HEAVEN IN THE BEGINNING, THE WORD CREATED AND MADE US, IT MADE PAPER AND INK, IT WAS NOT JUST WRITTEN ON TABLES OF STONE BUT WRITTEN ON THE FLESHY TABLES OF MANS HEART, JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOW WRITTEN, AS A TESTIMONY TO US THAT BELIEVE, DOESNT MEAN IT HASNT ALWAYS BEEN, BEFORE THE WORD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, IT WAS IN THE SPIRIT, ALWAYS WILL BE, ALWAYS WAS, SO IF THE BIBLES WERE REMOVED, IN WHICH ONE DAY THEY WILL, THEN THE WORD WILL BE HID IN MY HEART, THAT I MAY NOT SIN AGAINST GOD, THATS WERE THE WORD(JESUS) RESIDES ANYWAYS, THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE IN HEAVEN BEFORE THEY EXISTED ON STONE TABLETS, AND NOW THE STONE TABLETS TO PAPER FROM PAPER TO THE HEARTS OF MAN,
AND YES EVEN IN THE TIMES OF ADAM AND NOAH AND ABRAHAM, IN THOSE DISPENSATIONS GOD DID REVEAL MANY THINGS BY REVELATION AND HE STILL DOES, DOES IT MAKE HIM A DIFFERENT GOD BECAUSE HIS WORD IS NOW WRITTEN? GOD FORBID, HES STILL THE SAME AND HE WORKS IN SEASONS,
DIFFERENT REVELATIONS FOR DIFFERENT SEASONS, JUST LIKE WE SUIT OUR CLOTHES FOR THE SEASONS, HE IS GOD HE HAS A PLAN (WILL) AND HOW EVER HE DECIDES TO DELIVER IT, WHETHER BY WORD OF MOUTH OR WORD OF PAPER, ITS COOL WITH ME, BE BLESSED YA'LL...............P-CE
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Posted: Tuesday May 31st, 2005 05:13 |
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| Ink and paper are cool but I love people more. Nothing compares to a warm greeting, a smile, a hug, and being told that you are loved by someone. As said by Sleep No More, the Living Word is kept "alive" through the hearts and minds of the people. God-consciousness has no beginning or end. The universal mind and spirt is of infinite resource keeping us ever-connected no matter what form Love chooses to manifest itself for this planet or "plane of truth". The ancient text is for reference and reinforcement, but if all were destroyed, best believe there is more knowledge and wisdom where that came from. Peace.
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Posted: Tuesday May 31st, 2005 11:24 |
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Ok.
Thanks sleepnomore and 3rdeyeknight 
If God's laws were written in our hearts, why did humans need the written words in the first place?
Yes both of you are right, God find ways to get his message across regardless. Personally, I believe in the power of the words of our mouths, then any other form of communication.
At the moment though we also have bibles.
So what is the point then of having them now?
Would the world today, be better off without bibles or not?
Has 'religions' become too dependent on them - meaning does having bibles stifle reasoning, therefore what's in our hearts?
Has it become a tool as a last resort, to help resolve disputes? If they are being used as a tool to resolve disputes, doesn't that mean we NEED bibles?
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Posted: Tuesday May 31st, 2005 15:14 |
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I think that when God was talking about the words written on our hearts a big part of that is talking about our concience.
It seems that people now a days don't have a concience. Killing for fun has somehow become a trend. Thats why we need the Bible.
If there were no Bibles their would be no morals.
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 11:14 |
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Ask yourself these, how many keep bible verses can you remember? You need a reference to keep going. There are too many promises for you, you cannot remember them all.
You need to have a proof, not just take what you are told by people. Some people say rubbish or misinterprete God's word, you need your bible to check that, not just because this Man of God said that, so it is correct.
When those who have a great knowledge of the bible are talking about something, or referring to a verse in the bible, they may know it, but they do ask people to turn to the place in the bible so that you know they are not saying the wrong thing.
The Bible is the Word of God, it is the most common way in Which God speak to us today. It is impossible for someone to Be a Christain and not want to read the bible. Of course it is different if you cannot read.
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 12:02 |
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@Saint
So are you saying then, that if all bibles were banned from the earth, 'religion' or Christianity will die out?
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 13:52 |
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athaba wrote: @Saint
So are you saying then, that if all bibles were banned from the earth, 'religion' or Christianity will die out?
Of course not, that will never happen anyway. In the unlikely event that there were no bibles, we would still worship God through whatever means, but God will intervene.
Anyway, while we have the resources, let us put it to our best use. A lot of prisoners still have bibles, but they who are being persecuted because of their faith may not have the bible with them in prison, but they still give glory to God.
Christains are told to meditate on the word of God day and Night.
"A christain who doesn't read the bible is dead spiritually" - SAINT
Put it in another way
"A christian who doesn't read the bible cannot grow in a spiritual way that he/she is meant to" also this fellow can not tap into the things of God.
of course there are few exception, those who too old to read for example is a dfifferent senario. God understands
Heb "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 16:42 |
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So what about a Buddist who doesnt read the Bible. Is he/she spiritually dead as well.
What a pompous view to have. Were Africans spiritually dead before they were taken across the Atlantic and handed the Bible on arrival. Did the white man save our souls then?
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 17:49 |
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@Saint
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm trying to gauge just how much we need or depend on bibles.
What about the people before the times bibles were written? Were they not with God?
You say God will intervene if bibles were banned - how so? If you mean that his presence will be felt by believers - I believe that, but I think that applies now. In other words, with or without a bible God will still be amongst us.
Now if that is the case, why have bibles?
Whether or not you think this scenario of no bibles being in existence will happen or not, just go along with it - imagine there are no bibles.
You say again that we need it if for reference. But there are still arguments. What aboutthe different interpretations?And again - what about the time when people did not have bibles - didn't they still beliveve?
The way I look on it Saint, is that some people look on the bible almost as an idol in itself.
Suppose one of us suddenly found ourselves in the middle of a deep blue ocean, the fact that we'd be able to call on our Creator without having learnt great passages from the bible, or even had read it at all, don't you believe that he'd still help us?
What about the people you quoted - the people who can't read or the elderly/disabled - if they are still with God without having read the bible or being able to physically read it - again then, what is the point of having the bible?
Surely, (as what I think), its the words of our mouths and of course our actions that is 'doing' God's work more than learning from a bible?
Incidentally, somebody could, (and believe me its easily done), publish a 'bible' today and claim its a new religion or even claim its an ancient one, and you will still get believers.
So how do we know which bible is telling the truth?
Let's say we won't know who is telling the truth, doesn't that prove then the necessity to reason with each other, (without the aid of bibles) and that its that and the work that we do, that will tell who is Godly and who is not?
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 17:55 |
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So what about a Buddist who doesnt read the Bible. Is he/she spiritually dead as well.
What a pompous view to have. Were Africans spiritually dead before they were taken across the Atlantic and handed the Bible on arrival. Did the white man save our souls then?
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Well you have to ask the buddist. I am talking about a christain here.
Again, maybe you should go and ask the white manLast edited on Friday June 10th, 2005 17:56 by Saint
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 17:55 |
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Anything conditioned in us melts away as we assume our place amongst the neteru (the gods).The forces that govern our birth & death are at our disposal whilst we are alive.So be it.
Let's not waste energy on "futilism" & "anihilism" and emerge from the core and speak our minds on all fronts and manifest our Godliness.
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 19:26 |
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people had faith and concentrated more on their relationship with God.
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Posted: Friday June 10th, 2005 19:47 |
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athaba wrote: @Saint
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm trying to gauge just how much we need or depend on bibles.
Hi Athaba, you raised a lot of issues, I am not the best in answering questions about the Bible, but I will definitley give it a go. We 'll do our best
What about the people before the times bibles were written? Were they not with God?
God the Father spoke through Prophets, he instructed the prophets and they passed the message to the people. There are also stuffs written on Tablets, this was very common. God also used his angels to deliver message to his people.
You say God will intervene if bibles were banned - how so? It will never happen, if it does, God will change the heart of Men, it will be overturned
.If you mean that his presence will be felt by believers - I believe that, but I think that applies now. In other words, with or without a bible God will still be amongst us. True
Now if that is the case, why have bibles?
Because God want us to have it, he instructed us to read his word. If we don't have the bible, how would we know what is sin and what is not sin? How are we going to know about our Heavenly Father, what he seeks, what he does etc. How are we going to know some of the events that did occurred in the past. Where will we find encouragements, the teachings of the prophets, the records of the Miracles which Jesus did......and many more.
Whether or not you think this scenario of no bibles being in existence will happen or not, just go along with it - imagine there are no bibles.
There are bibles because God use the Bible as the main form of communication with us.
You say again that we need it if for reference. But there are still arguments. I don't have any argument.
I need no other argument, it is enough that Jesus died and that he died for Me.
What aboutthe different interpretations? Well there are only a few, they are easier to read. That is why people need other versions. They basically say the same thing. if you can show me a bible that say Jesus didn't die, then I rubbish that version.
And again - what about the time when people did not have bibles - didn't they still beliveve? they did, see above
The way I look on it Saint, is that some people look on the bible almost as an idol in itself. No it is not an Idol, many people actually don't spend enough time studying the word. Now if you have another book that you read to help study the Bible, and you substitute that book with the bible, then that is not good. The bible should be read everyday. Christains don't read the Bible only, they meditate on it, apply it's teachings to their daily live, they pray and they talk to God. A true christian needs to do these in order to grow.
Suppose one of us suddenly found ourselves in the middle of a deep blue ocean, the fact that we'd be able to call on our Creator without having learnt great passages from the bible, or even had read it at all, don't you believe that he'd still help us?
Yes he would, many people will be screaming anyway. But if you read your bible, it says Whosoever call on the name of the Lord will be saved. The Lord may rescue you, but it helps if you know his promises concerning you. You see the word of God is like our armour, we use it to protect ourselves, if you know the word, when the toubles, trials and tribulation comes, you would be able to stand firm, but if you don't know the word, you may fall into temptation.
Jesus said to satan when he was tempted: it is written, Man shall not live by Bread alone.............that is another reason why we need the bible. To stop the plans of the Enemy. If you don't know the bible, the enemy would even use it to confuse you, and you may fall for it. Satan tried it with Jesus, but thankfully the Master was up to the task.
What about the people you quoted - the people who can't read or the elderly/disabled - if they are still with God without having read the bible or being able to physically read it - again then, what is the point of having the bible? Our God is a merciful and compassionate God. He understand, many people that can't read have people who read to them and explain things to them. Say for example my late granny, she sits where people read the bible, translate it and explain it to her. Nowadays, people can listen to the bible on tapes
Surely, (as what I think), its the words of our mouths and of course our actions that is 'doing' God's work more than learning from a bible?
The more you know the bible, the more you know Him. Knowing the bible as in applying the principles and believing it, not just cramming it. How do we know what to do, we find out in the Bible. If you know Jesus, you can do anything, to know him, you need to believe in him and study the word. A lot is said about Jesus in the bible, you need to study the word to know him more, then the spirit will reveal more to you.
Incidentally, somebody could, (and believe me its easily done), publish a 'bible' today and claim its a new religion or even claim its an ancient one, and you will still get believers.
Well stupid people will follow it, the Bible says we should test all things, if it can stand. Christian always have a way of knowing things that are of God. Knowing the word will also help you. By having and knowing the Bible, you would not be deceived by other doctrines
So how do we know which bible is telling the truth?
Spirit of God will show you, the Bible we have at the moment was inspied by God, and he recommends us to us for our spiritual growth
Let's say we won't know who is telling the truth, doesn't that prove then the necessity to reason with each other, (without the aid of bibles) and that its that and the work that we do, that will tell who is Godly and who is not?
The Bible will tell you the truth, it is the Word of God. The word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path. The word of the Lord Guides us. The bible is a must have for an christian
Psaml 119:89 say "Your word , O Lord, will last for ever, it is eternal in heaven
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Posted: Saturday June 11th, 2005 14:47 |
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We should keep in mind that there has ALWAYS been scripture and writing, some people just went astray and got lost thier literacy.
Muslims understand that not only was Adam (the first man) taught how to read and write, but he was also given scripture; so since man has been on this Earth he has had scripture and written instruction from God.
Those societies without written scriptures have oral traditions, it's just that their ancestors strayed away from higher civilization long ago and they lost their ability to write down these traditions.
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Posted: Sunday June 12th, 2005 09:52 |
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I've heard alot of people say follow your heart it doesnt matter about the bible. They didn't need it in the old days before the bible. This is a very dangerous thing the bible says;
Jeremiah 17:9 (King James Version)
9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
There are plenty more text talking about the state of the heart. In those days God was with those people and he used his prophets to preach to the people and God was close with them. When people startd following their own hearts they started worshipping false Gods and doing wicked things.
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Posted: Sunday June 12th, 2005 19:02 |
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Does anyone truly believe that the documentation in the modern day Bible concludes that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth? How could one, when man has been around for over 3 million years. Whom were they that they were able to pass down, write and carry on the history of man from back then? Before humans could speak, they still had knowledge, and even back then. Did they speak with their hands and minds? Mental telepathy.
"All of us belong to a species, Homo sapiens sapiens, the remote ancestors of whom lived in the African tropical savannas as early as 3 million years ago."
So we are to believe that Adam and Eve are from 3 million years ago? They might be some people's greatest of ancestors, but they are not mine.
I agree with the ones that say, some men wrote the Bible and changed a few things to fit their agenda, et al.
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/mysticalegypt.html
Should read: c:documents........................
C ocuments and SettingsOwnerDesktopAncient African Civilizations.htm
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Posted: Sunday June 12th, 2005 19:42 |
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Does the first link even in the remotest of possibilities sound true?
http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/260adam.html
The below article is interesting.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i3/ufo.asp
And google has a list of links.
http://www.google.com/search?q=who+were+adam+and+eve&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N
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Posted: Sunday June 12th, 2005 19:53 |
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Posted: Monday June 13th, 2005 15:06 |
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@ mike@sda
If God gave us the bible for our our good, why are there so many? If only one of them is telling the truth how will we know? If God will direct us to the right one, then dosen't that mean that God direct us with/for anything? If that is the case - why can't we worship without bibles?
@ahmaad
Very interesting.
If the original scriptures were always with *men, how had all the different bibles come about?
Also correct me if I am wrong, but one has to learn Arabic in order to read the 'Koran' is it?
Isn't that rather a tall order for say someone living in the Highlands of Scotland, who can't even speak/read English properly, has never been abroad, is elderly and can't get about as she once could?
Is this person without God?
* I assume this to mean humankind
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Posted: Monday June 13th, 2005 15:49 |
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God the Father spoke through Prophets, he instructed the prophets and they passed the message to the people. There are also stuffs written on Tablets, this was very common. God also used his angels to deliver message to his people.
Didn't the bible say that the prophets will always be with us?
why have bibles?
Because God want us to have it,
There are bibles because God use the Bible as the main form of communication with us.
I thought prayer was?
What about the different interpretations? Well there are only a few, they are easier to read. That is why people need other versions. They basically say the same thing. if you can show me a bible that say Jesus didn't die, then I rubbish that version.
But this is why I said there are still arguments. Because there are different versions, people believe what they want to believe.
And again - what about the time when people did not have bibles - how did they believe?
they did, see above
If they did - why the need for bibles?
The way I look on it Saint, is that some people look on the bible almost as an idol in itself. No it is not an Idol, many people actually don't spend enough time studying the word. Now if you have another book that you read to help study the Bible, and you substitute that book with the bible, then that is not good. The bible should be read everyday. Christains don't read the Bible only, they meditate on it, apply it's teachings to their daily live, they pray and they talk to God. A true christian needs to do these in order to grow.
If I read my Englsih Language books that too would help me to grow in the knowledge of the English Langauage. So what you are saying is not untrue, but someone could call it brainwasing and put that thought/method to anything they want to 'teach'.
It may not necessarily be the truth.
BUT if GOD was to show us the way without the aid of bibles - surely it'll always be the truth?
Suppose one of us suddenly found ourselves in the middle of a deep blue ocean, the fact that we'd be able to call on our Creator without having learnt great passages from the bible, or even had read it at all, don't you believe that he'd still help us?
Yes he would, many people will be screaming anyway. But if you read your bible, it says Whosoever call on the name of the Lord will be saved.
So why the need for bibles?
What about the people you quoted - the people who can't read or the elderly/disabled - if they are still with God without having read the bible or being able to physically read it - again then, what is the point of having the bible? Our God is a merciful and compassionate God. He understand, many people that can't read have people who read to them and explain things to them. Say for example my late granny, she sits where people read the bible, translate it and explain it to her.
If people can explain teach etc., a
gain why the need for bibles?
Surely, (as what I think), its the words of our mouths and of course our actions that is 'doing' God's work more than learning from a bible?
The more you know the bible, the more you know Him. Knowing the bible as in applying the principles and believing it, not just cramming it. How do we know what to do, we find out in the Bible. If you know Jesus, you can do anything, to know him, you need to believe in him and study the word. A lot is said about Jesus in the bible, you need to study the word to know him more, then the spirit will reveal more to you.
That is not untrue. But again you say that the spirit will reveal to you, then surely that same spirit can enlighten you as to what is the truth with or without a bible?
Incidentally, somebody could, (and believe me its easily done), publish a 'bible' today and claim its a new religion or even claim its an ancient one, and you will still get believers.
Well stupid people will follow it, the Bible says we should test all things, if it can stand. Christian always have a way of knowing things that are of God. Knowing the word will also help you. By having and knowing the Bible, you would not be deceived by other doctrines
I'm not sure if that is fair. After all people could call Christians stupid, (which they do), for following the bible.
So how do we know which bible is telling the truth?
Spirit of God will show you, the Bible we have at the moment was inspied by God, and he recommends us to us for our spiritual growth
So again then, if Spirits will reveal - why the need for bibles?
Let's say we won't know who is telling the truth, doesn't that prove then the necessity to reason with each other, (without the aid of bibles) and that its that and the work that we do, that will tell who is Godly and who is not?
The Bible will tell you the truth, it is the Word of God. The word is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path. The word of the Lord Guides us. The bible is a must have for an christian
Psaml 119:89 say "Your word , O Lord, will last for ever, it is eternal in heaven
Yes but it does it mean ONLY via bibles or can his Word travel through various other means?
This green part is not in the bible! lol
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"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast".
Good News Bible. Rev. Ch.13 V.3
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