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Posted: Friday May 14th, 2004 14:03 |
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Hi people..
i know there are soooo many topics on this website based around the colour of ones skin...dark v light...etc etc...but i just wanted to know what people generally thought about it....good or bad.
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Posted: Friday May 14th, 2004 14:45 |
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Ho wcan bleaching your skin be good???? It can NEVER be good
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Posted: Saturday May 15th, 2004 00:50 |
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NOOOO, i'm not saying it's a good thing at all!!!! I think it's f**ked up!
I was just asking a question. As so many black people out there do it...maybe SOMEONE can make me understand.
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Posted: Saturday May 15th, 2004 10:00 |
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@lucy_lou
Damn! is that pic you??
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Posted: Saturday May 15th, 2004 10:05 |
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@NyjaBabe
No is not a good thing dont do it.
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Posted: Saturday May 15th, 2004 10:31 |
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Don't do it, sh*te like dat is never gonna be good 4u..
You bleach your clothes 2 take out stuff dat you don't want on it, if you work in dem big office dem, you've seen those nasty coffee cups you bleach da crap out of those esp: if its your cup & sum1 has used & not washed it since da other day..
So your skin wid all its natural goodness, leave it were it is, within yr fine self..Nice1
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Posted: Sunday May 16th, 2004 11:46 |
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no it is not good. it looks f**ked up. does'nt look attractive and i don't understand why so many people do it. boys and girls alike. you can always tell when someone has been bleaching. oh! don't forget about the nasty side affects. the spot like moles, the added facial hair, the redness.
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Posted: Sunday May 16th, 2004 18:28 |
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dya know what people, i would never DREAM of bleaching my skin, the only the discolouration i would want to see on my face is if i accidentally burn it with some curling irons!! I'm a darkskinned honey and very proud off it!
I see so many bleached brothers and sisters out there and i ask myself do they actually have any real friends to tell them how stupid they look?? If some of them were to stand butt-naked in a cosmetic store, i'm sure most people would find their match...somewhere!!!
I have quite a few relative that bleach and i only hold my tongue out of respect as most of them are a lot older than me...i have to school the younger ones.
@ Alliya4eva2003...Girl..don't let me have to tell you about some side effects i have seen!! Dya know my old hair dresser, she was as dark as myself once upon a time. I had to stop myself from asking her if she had a darker twin at one stage. She used to do my hair nicely, but the bleaching man  She bleached so bad that if she was a heroine addict she would NOT find it hard to find a vein with one eye shut..her skin was so transparent that when she was pregnant she wouldn't have need an ultrasound.
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Posted: Sunday May 16th, 2004 19:24 |
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NyjaBabe wrote: dya know what people, i would never DREAM of bleaching my skin, the only the discolouration i would want to see on my face is if i accidentally burn it with some curling irons!! I'm a darkskinned honey and very proud off it!
I am just asking a question but I am not asking the for a brand-name because I don't want to promote beaching which I think is a self-hating activity.
Ok my questions does any of the over the counter beaching work? My sister had acme really badly at one time and it left her face full of dark spots. She tried all types of beaching creams but nothing worked. Thankfully with time the spots just faded away.
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Posted: Sunday May 16th, 2004 21:58 |
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@ Spice - the bleaching cremes that u get over the counter here in the US are not as strong as the ones availabel in Europe/Africa. Besides, Americans dont bleach in the way Europeans/Africans bleach.
The strengths of bleaching ingredient that people are talking about on this thread would only be available through a doctor's prescription.
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Posted: Sunday May 16th, 2004 22:49 |
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an article i found
The Skin Bleaching Phenomenon - Commentary
By Merrick A. Andrew
Posted Sunday, September 1, 2002
Pretty Tamara Richards is convinced that white people have all the advantages in the world. She believes that white people get jobs easier, earn the highest salaries and attract handsome and wealthy men. But there’s one little problem: Tamara is just about four shades darker than the typical white woman and just barely graces the ‘browning’ category among her black people.
Her perception is that the fairer you are, the more likely one is to become successful socially, economically and romantically.
The 18-year-old Jamaican has always wished she had a lighter colour. So to solve her ‘problem’, Tamara is using skin-lightening creams. “White people get the better things in life, yes,� she says. “You have a lot of advantages when you are white.�
In this Caribbean island of 2.6 million people, health authorities say hundreds are skin bleaching and the problem is that many people misuse by overuse skin lightening creams, which are prescribed at low doses to correct uneven pigmentation.
However, the products, many of them manufactured in North America and Europe are sold over the counter throughout the island, the Caribbean and the world.
Dr. Neil Persadsingh, a leading Jamaican dermatologist and author of the book “Acne in Black Women�, says some of these creams work by killing melanin, the substance that lends skin its pigmentation and protects the skin from the cancer-causing ultraviolet rays of the sun. All people have melanin in their skin; the more melanin present, the darker the skin.
In addition, he says, the preparations contain large amounts of hydroquinone – a white crystalline de-pigmenting agent that is fatal in large concentrations. Victims will suffer from nausea, shortness of breath, convulsions and delirium. Damage to the skin – wrinkles, severe acne, marks – may be irreversible after prolonged use. Sheena-Kay Morris, 16, who also lives in McIntyre Villa, a ‘ghetto’ or garrison community in the volatile capital, Kingston, hasn’t used the creams for almost a year now.
However, her complexion has gone unusually pitch black with bumps on her face and shoulders.
Dr. Persadsingh says some of the products contain steroids and hydroquinone, which are mutagenic. This means they can cause changes in the body that can lead to cancer. Many users, he notes, find their skin gradually becoming darker when they quit using the chemicals, and some develop a scaly layer on their skin. Few return to their original skin color once they have used skin lighteners.
“The prolonged and continued use of these creams will lead to a face looking like a grater,� warns Dr. Persadsingh.
“When we are faced with this type of damage there is nothing that we can do except to advise the patient to live with their condition,� the dermatologist says.
For Tamara, who also lives in McIntyre Villa, skin bleaching is just as popular as keeping afloat with a popular fashion trend. Like many youngsters her age, the older women influenced Tamara in her community. She got hooked last year when she bought a steroid cream named “Movate� at a wholesale store in downtown Kingston. The results from bleaching her skin evoked mixed reactions from her male colleagues. “Some of the men say I look pretty and I should continue. Some will make fun at me, say you look like a monkey and call you ‘black-white’,� says Tamara.
“It’s the in thing. It makes you look cool and pretty, it takes out the black heads. It makes it smooth,� she says. “But it tones down your skin and makes it light and cool,� adds Tamara, a high school graduate who wants to pursue a career in computer technology.
Tamara lives with her stepmother and father, who don’t seem to care about what she’s doing. “They don’t say anything,� she says.
Household bleaching
If you happen to take a walk into any inner-city community on an early morning don’t be surprised to find several girls with powdery or painted-looking faces. They are bleaching.
Apart from the traditional skin lightening creams, some Jamaicans use toothpaste, curry powder, milk powder, household bleach and cornmeal. These products are cheap and effectively cool, users say. “The toothpaste and the bleach lighten your complexion,� explains Tamara. “The curry powder brings out the beauty and the cornmeal and milk powder makes your face cool.�
Dr. Persadsingh says: “Jamaicans perceive that when a product burns it can clear the skin. That’s why they use toothpaste, curry and household bleach as a base for lightening the skin.�
Why people bleach
Health care professionals and social commentators in Jamaica view the trend with dismay, for example numerous reggae songs censure the practice, such as the early 1990’s hit “Dem a Bleach� by Nardo Ranks. Health officials say skin bleaching in Jamaica dates back over decades. Over the last 5 to 10 years the practice has been increasing significantly, says Dr. Clive Anderson, dermatologist and an executive member of the Jamaica Dermatologists Association.
“There’s a large segment of our population who are convinced that being lighter in complexion is to their advantage, socially, in terms of their relationships and economically, in terms of getting ahead,� he said. Dr. Persadsingh shares the same sentiments. He said some women don’t know why they are doing it. “Some girls feel that with a lighter complexion, their prospects in life would improve. Some are bleaching their faces and when they are asked why, they have no answer. “I have been told that men are responsible for the girls bleaching their faces, as all men only want ‘browning’ (light skinned women) and do not like black girls. This is rather nonsense of course. Some people even claim that the girls are bleaching now because of slavery and that the white people are to be blamed. Again, what utter nonsense,� Dr. Persadsingh scoffed.
Media advertising worldwide greatly enhance the stereotypes that light skinned people are advantaged socially and romantically. In Jamaica, advertisements like these are not broadcast, printed or aired often, but the few depict light skinned women saying for example that “Vanishing Cream fades dark spots and freckles, lightens and brightens skin to a smooth radiant glow.�
An article on the web site http://www.africana.com said: “One Kenyan TV ad features a young woman staring lovingly at her boyfriend in a college cafeteria. Another pretty woman with slightly lighter skin walks by, upon which the man jokingly asks the girlfriend how he can tell the woman that she is the “most beautiful girl I have ever seen.� Devastated, the young woman responds to a voiceover advising her to use “Fair and Lovely,� a skin cream promising “special fairness vitamins� and guaranteed to lighten her complexion in just six weeks. The young woman uses the cream and, sure enough, keeps her man.� Health authorities
The Ministry of Health (MOH) in Jamaica has released a list of banned beauty products that have been in circulation for many years. A MOH spokesperson says that it’s hard to clamp down on the culprits, because they continue to change the name of the products and distribute to street vendors.
The authorities have so far seized creams such as Movate, Reggae Lemon Gel, Top Gel Plus, Omic Gel Plus, Lemonvate Cream, Tropesone Gel, Tropesone Gel Plus, Neoprosone and Pro-Beta-Zone. Some of these products cost as much as US$9.
“The Association of Dermatologists has no empirical data on the problem, but it is certainly hundreds and thousands of people who are doing this,� says dermatologist Dr. Anderson.
He adds: “This is something we (dermatologists) are seeing daily. I would say a good 10 to 15 per cent of the patients we have been seeing have been doing this.�
The MHO has appealed to citizens to stop misusing these drugs as they were putting themselves at serious risk and overburdening the health system as they sought to treat the damage done to their skin by the creams.
However, this psychology for social acceptance, more opportunities, and improved self-image, is already epidemic. From as young as 10 to as old as 40, many are still using it. “Why? It’s your face, it’s your body, and you can do anything with it. I will stop bleaching when I want to stop. I know what I am doing,� says 36-year-old Trisha Smith, a veteran skin bleacher, whose face is distinctively clearer than the rest of her body.
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Posted: Monday May 17th, 2004 19:57 |
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Happiness wrote: . Besides, Americans dont bleach in the way Europeans/Africans bleach.
@Happiness, thanks for clarifying that for me. I feel that is one positive step(not obsessed with changing our natural color) forward for African Americans in self-acceptance and self-love. I just wished blacks all over would stop it also.
@ Spice - the bleaching cremes that u get over the counter here in the US are not as strong as the ones availabel in Europe/Africa
That sounds so frighten and self-destructive.
The strengths of bleaching ingredient that people are talking about on this thread would only be available through a doctor's prescription.
Personally, I would feel self-loathing and ashame if I wasn't getting this cream to remove a discolored area but was using it because I hated the color of my skin. I couldn't look the doctor or pharmacist in the eye.
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Posted: Tuesday May 18th, 2004 23:36 |
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] @ Spice, nah..if only those people thought like you. Buying it is as easy as buying a tube of toothpaste, apart from that when you go into these shops, they are right behind the counter where you pay for your stuff. That article was quite interesting...as for that homemade recipe- daaayuum!
But adverts like that are quite common place, especially in some of the black beauty magz which p***es me right off. I even saw a shop round my way last week that offered 'bleaching' as a beauty treatment!!! I kept saying to myself 'don't let me have to walk past that shop when it's open!'
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Posted: Wednesday May 19th, 2004 17:59 |
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NyjaBabe wrote: ] @ Spice, nah..if only those people thought like you. Buying it is as easy as buying a tube of toothpaste, apart from that when you go into these shops, they are right behind the counter where you pay for your stuff.
@Nyjababe, that is ashame so many black folks in Europe buying into the ideal that lighter is better and I am sure putting a mighty big profit into the hands of white folks who make this mess to begin with.
Though the white manufactors who make these bleaching creams are laughing about black people (who are trying to escape their own color), all the way to the bank, we can't blame whites for this. Not until the black community as a whole, realizes and begain to appreciate our many different natural shades of black/brown as beautiful, this self-hating will continue.
But adverts like that are quite common place, especially in some of the black beauty magz which p***es me right off. I even saw a shop round my way last week that offered 'bleaching' as a beauty treatment!!! I kept saying to myself 'don't let me have to walk past that shop when it's open!'
I hear on that! Though I hear beaching use to be more common in the states in the 50s and before, this lighting crap hardly sells in the U.S. today except to remove discolorasion.
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Posted: Wednesday May 19th, 2004 19:55 |
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omg i'm asian man i thought only wacko jacko did it but i'm gonna have to check this out about bleeching
coz its f**ked up
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Posted: Wednesday May 19th, 2004 21:43 |
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You keep mentioning that you're Asian. What you keep neglecting to mention is the fact that you're a utter f**kwit. Also you're Bangladeshi to be exact, the ethnic group with the lowest standard of education in the UK.
You keep saying that you won't date a black person, but you forget that a decent black person(actually any person, or animal) wouldn't want to date you anyway, because you're quite dumb to be frank about it.
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Posted: Wednesday May 19th, 2004 22:14 |
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@ ayrton senna,
Don't be silly  , some asian women do it as well, although they aren't as bad bleaching wise although i feel they are just as discrimminatory when it comes the complexion of their females...but thats another thread..... Im pretty sure that beauty parlour i was talking about earlier was owned by an asian woman, may just have to check it out....
@ Peacemaker, lol, thats harsh bruv...
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Happiness wrote: @ Spice - the bleaching cremes that u get over the counter here in the US are not as strong as the ones availabel in Europe/Africa. Besides, Americans dont bleach in the way Europeans/Africans bleach.
The strengths of bleaching ingredient that people are talking about on this thread would only be available through a doctor's prescription.
mainland eurorpe many products are stronger. in the uk you tend to find the african shops sell these harsh bleaching products illegally. moves are being made to ban
some info for all
a look at skin bleaching damage and tanning damage both harmful
How: The most popular bleaching creams contain 4% hydroquinone, a harsh bleaching agent that can destroy the outer layer of the skin. Creams containing more than 2% are banned from the UK. They cost about #1.50 for a 50g tube on Kingston market stalls.
Danger zone: It is only supposed to be used to fade freckles or scars as prolonged use can burn the skin.
Sun bathing
In the UK this year, experts predict that 40,000 people will get skin cancer. As soon as the sun comes out, us Brits seem to like nothing better than baring our all for a little colour. Although there has been a recent move to fake it, a much safer option; there are still hoards of us basking in the rays, be it the sun or the sun bed for that wholesome orange glow.
How: Our skin contains melanin, a natural substance that gives us some protection to the sun's UV rays. It is this melanin that builds up to give us a tan when we sunbathe. However this tan is not a sign of health as we often believe, instead it is a sign that our skin has been damaged. Tanning simply means our skin will show signs of premature aging in later life not to mention the risk of developing skin cancer.
Danger zone: The sun gives off powerful radiation waves, including different kinds of ultraviolet rays. Here are the two that should concern you:
- UVA rays penetrate deep into the skin layer, causing premature ageing and increasing the risk of skin cancer.
- UVB rays burn the surface of the skin, causing it to tan and burn.
Hydroquinone-for fading age and sunspots...Palmer's Skin success
and Porcelana are two that contain hydroquinone...Look on the
shelves at "fade creams," then read labels. Most will probably
have hydroquinone... read my next post for how bad these products are. it has been reported that africa some women could not be sewed back together after routine ops and died unneccerily.
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i almost forgot to add that british companies whose products are banned in the uk often ship out these products to africa. many companies around do partake in this including usa brand palmers
here is a a bit of info from essentialdrugs.org
E-DRUG: toxic UK skinlightning creams scar SA women
Toxic UK creams scar SA women
Victims suffer grotesque injuries from contraband potions.
by DINA SEEGER and BABALWA SHOTA
TOXIC British skin-bleaching creams are being smuggled into South
Africa in a multibillionrand underground industry which is disfiguring
thousands of women.
A Sunday Times investigation has found that the creams, which are
made in Bolton, Manchester, Egham and London, all contain the chemical
hydroquinone - banned in South Africa 10 years ago.
Dermatologists have slammed the British companies, saying it is a
scandal that they are being allowed to exploit women in South Africa.
The creams cause irreparable skin damage.
The British companies sell their creams to agents in Zimbabwe,
Zambia, Angola, Zaire, Botswana and Kenya. The agents employ
syndicates to smuggle them into South Africa - hidden between goods
on trucks, on the top of buses, in car boots and in suitcases.
Gavin Collinet, director of customs operations for the South African
Revenue Services, said a criminal element was taking advantage of the
lack of control at borders and harbours. Locals are also used as
"runners" by South African businessmen to bring in the creams, which
are then sold to shops, pharmacies, hawkers and spaza shops.
On Friday, the Medicines Control Council raided Johannesburg
wholesaler and distributor Mash Hair Care and Cosmetics.
Thousands of tubes of illegal face creams, hidden in a basement in
Jeppe Street, were confiscated. At least 10 of the brands found were
made in England.
The creams were hidden underneath legal hair products and body
lotions. The manager was arrested and will appear in court tomorrow on
charges of possession and selling of unregistered medicines.
The Medicines Control Council's vice-chairman, Professor Peter
Eagles, said no mercy would be shown to distributors and producers of
illegal brands.
"We need to shut these people down and put them out of business.
These creams are dangerous and are causing havoc."
He said the council's inspectorate, in conjunction with the Narcotics
Bureau and Organised Crime Unit, would search warehouses, raid
factories and prosecute offenders.
The Sunday Times investigation found that the illegal creams are
freely available throughout South Africa.
Five creams, tested for the Sunday Times by Potchefstroom
University's Centre for Quality Assurance of Medicines, all contained
hydroquinone. Two British-made creams, Jaribu and Rico, contained
more than the two percent allowed by law in the UK.
Stephen Dunning of Nish Cosmetics in Manchester, which makes Jaribu,
denied his company was involved in the illegal trade.
"The fact that our creams are being smuggled into your country is not
our problem," he said.
Patricia Wing, spokeswoman for Rico Skin Care Ltd, said: "We cannot
police our creams everywhere in the world. We manufacture and sell our
products, after that they are out of our control."
The black-market network begins in the UK, with the major producers
of legal hydroquinonebased skin-lightening creams.
The factories target mass buyers in Africa, where hydroquinone is not
regulated. The goods are then smuggled into South Africa.
Eagles said the Medicines Control Council had identified a
distribution warehouse in Kenya. Illegal creams are also brought in
from the Far East by wholesalers.
Dermatologists at hospitals throughout South Africa said women were
lining up to beg for treatment for their ruined faces.
Professor Norma Saxe, head of the dermatology department at Groote
Schuur Hospital in Cape Town, said hydroquinone disfigured the face
and caused permanent damage.
Saxe said when combined with sunlight, hydroquinone was even more
dangerous, which was why South African women have been plagued by its
side-effects.
Doctor Hilary Carman, who campaigned to ban hydroquinone in the '80s,
said it was a scandal that factories in First World countries were
allowed to exploit SA women.
Experts say women using the creams are thrilled with the results at
first, but then red blotches appear, followed by dark blotches. They
use more cream to try to cover these but only cause more damage.
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[on page 6 the following companies and products are mentioned]
http://www.suntimes.co.za/1999/12/12/news/news33.htm
Banned, but still available
THIS week police raided the premises of a Johannesburg wholesaler and
discovered several illegal creams which had been smuggled into South
Africa. The creams were confiscated by the Medicines Control Council.
They included:
Mekako, Jaribu and Amira, all made by Nish Cosmetics in Bolton,
England;
Rico, made by Rico Skin Care Ltd in Egham, England;
Miki, IKB, Symba and Magiclear, produced in England;
Palmer's Skin Success Fade Cream, made in the US;
Bu-Tone, made in Zambia;
Shirley, made in Taiwan;
Top Cream, made by Top Products of London, Paris and New York. This
cream is also believed to be made in South Africa.
The council will incinerate the creams this week.
[Moderators comments:
We have discussed the dangers of skinlightners before in E-drug, and
several TV documentaries have been made on this problem. However, the
problems continue unabated.
In South Africa, skinlightners are banned as cosmetics. They are only
registered at maximum 2% hydroquinone with a strong sunscreen block,
and are only available on prescription from doctors.
The SA creams are being smuggled illegally into the country. Of
course this should be stopped. But not all countries do have the
capability to control their borders or markets.
I think the UK should investigate the UK based companies, and
stop the export of hazardous creams. At least they should
export only maximum 2% creams, and they should all include a strong
sunscreen block to avoid the sideeffects of repigmentation.
Any other proposals?
Wilbert Bannenberg
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Posted: Thursday May 20th, 2004 19:33 |
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ayrton senna wrote: omg i'm asian man i thought only wacko jacko did it but i'm gonna have to check this out about bleeching
coz its f**ked up
@Ayrton Senna, while you are at it please check why some Asians with slanted eyes opt for surgeries to make there eyes more rounded like those of Europeans and why some Asian Indians dye their hair a lighter shade of brown!
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Posted: Thursday May 20th, 2004 22:05 |
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@ lady day,
it's not just african shops its most of the prodominantly asian owned black hair and beauty shops that sell them too. When i see figures like that it's scary man. And it almost always boils down to africa...just like in the films when they suddenly come across a dangerous unknown virus. WHY??  ...i don't know, i'm just glad my mum didn't go down that path.
@ Spice,
lol, i read in an asian newspaper that a couple (as the woman couldn't bare kids) selected white embryos for fertilization in order for their kids to be whiter...when i read it i just shook my head...but again thats a different thread..But eye surgery is a new one for me!
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