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Posted: Wednesday April 4th, 2007 19:43 |
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if you don't believe just check how many black men go to university or pursue higher education. enuff hardship in life, but black men got it the worst. Some men get it so raw that they don't even have a mum or dad to turn to. True soldiers. 
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Posted: Wednesday April 4th, 2007 21:18 |
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and if it is.... then what? or you just felt all sad and down all of a sudden?
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Posted: Wednesday April 4th, 2007 22:03 |
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BIG L wrote: if you don't believe just check how many black men go to university or pursue higher education. enuff hardship in life, but black men got it the worst. Some men get it so raw that they don't even have a mum or dad to turn to. True soldiers. 
Bring out the violin. From you name man what do you expect? A man doesnt rely on Mummy and Daddy.
Or as Professor Nuts (met the great man and he is a laugh a minute)would put it.. Mummy have him own.. Daddy have him own..get your owner ting..
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Bredder Tukoma wrote: BIG L wrote: if you don't believe just check how many black men go to university or pursue higher education. enuff hardship in life, but black men got it the worst. Some men get it so raw that they don't even have a mum or dad to turn to. True soldiers. 
Bring out the violin. From you name man what do you expect? A man doesnt rely on Mummy and Daddy.
Or as Professor Nuts (met the great man and he is a laugh a minute)would put it.. Mummy have him own.. Daddy have him own..get your owner ting..
Or as Billie Holiday sang: "
"Rich relations give crust of bread and such, You can help yourself, but don't you take too much. Momma may have, Poppa may have, but God bless the child that's got his own"
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BIG L wrote: if you don't believe just check how many black men go to university or pursue higher education. enuff hardship in life, but black men got it the worst. Some men get it so raw that they don't even have a mum or dad to turn to. True soldiers. 
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@BIG L. Be grateful that times have changed and you are now living in a modern society probably under your parents roof. Life as we know nowadays has become easy and some men particularly here in America can sponge from their families/mothers until the age of forty (40) and still living at home. You could be somwhere in Africa living in a remote village among hunter and gatherer societies, or among societies whose livelihood is based on fishing, then what will you do?
In such societies, the men provide for their families while the women stay home and take care of the kids. Will you complain when you give chase to an antelope or a dig dig with your bow and arrow or spent 12 hours a day fishing in waters full of crocodiles and hippopotamus? The men in such scenarios are very proud of themselves and they wake up everyday and go out to provide for their families without any complains. They never come home until they have caught an antelope, dig dig, or caught enough fish; otherwise it is shamefull to a mans pride and dignity to come home empty handed. If there is any hardships in life then I would say it is these African Men I describe who face hardships, although they themselves don't see all this as hardships at all. Even in Sedentary African farming societies the men wake up at dawn and spend 10-12 hours a day cultivating. Now that is hardship and these are the true soldiers. They do this day after day, year after year without complain.
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 09:40 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote:
BIG L wrote: if you don't believe just check how many black men go to university or pursue higher education. enuff hardship in life, but black men got it the worst. Some men get it so raw that they don't even have a mum or dad to turn to. True soldiers. 
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@BIG L. Be grateful that times have changed and you are now living in a modern society probably under your parents roof. Life as we know nowadays has become easy and some men particularly here in America can sponge from their families/mothers until the age of forty (40) and still living at home. You could be somwhere in Africa living in a remote village among hunter and gatherer societies, or among societies whose livelihood is based on fishing, then what will you do?
In such societies, the men provide for their families while the women stay home and take care of the kids. Will you complain when you give chase to an antelope or a dig dig with your bow and arrow or spent 12 hours a day fishing in waters full of crocodiles and hippopotamus? The men in such scenarios are very proud of themselves and they wake up everyday and go out to provide for their families without any complains. They never come home until they have caught an antelope, dig dig, or caught enough fish; otherwise it is shamefull to a mans pride and dignity to come home empty handed. If there is any hardships in life then I would say it is these African Men I describe who face hardships, although they themselves don't see all this as hardships at all. Even in Sedentary African farming societies the men wake up at dawn and spend 10-12 hours a day cultivating. Now that is hardship and these are the true soldiers. They do this day after day, year after year without complain.
you know what, i think id rather fish allday than face mortgage problems and bills and depression in the western world. these men might face hardships but not to the point where you wana jump from a 100 story building. atleast the cant be homless. hatred aint piled up in thier souls. they have no will to wana punch someones lights -out. atleast they dont face ignorant idiots everyday of thier lives.
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 18:44 |
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Vubundada_Kandaba wrote: Life as we know nowadays has become easy and some men particularly here in America can sponge from their families/mothers until the age of forty (40) and still living at home.
They don't hear ya, though. It's funny, cause the lyrics I posted by Billie Holiday, were written because of HER experience of being thrown out of her mother's house when she was 13 or 14, having to live with different people as a child. Having at least one of those people, a woman(family member or acquaintance, can't remember), tell her she had to have sex with older men for money(she was 14 or 15 mind u), if she continued to stay in her house. She was expected to do that, for room and board. When she wouldn't, she had to leave and fend for herself, which she did. It's probably why she became a drug addict, was drawn to abusive relationships, and died young,but at least she didn't sit around and cry about it. She wrote a song which basically said, that's the way it is and that's the way it's always been to some degree, NOBODY gives a phuck about u, when it comes down to it; so it's best to get/have your OWN sh*t, cause even your MOMMA may throw u to the wolves in this life. Other than that, she kept it moving.
The most messed up thing about it, is Billie's story is not that unique, happens to plenty of young Black girls, yet according to Big L, brothers are the only one's getting dealt bad hands, by life, or the only ones with crosses to bear....PUhleeze.
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 18:55 |
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Billie holiday / arthur herzog jr.
Them thats got shall get
Them thats not shall lose
So the Bible said and it still is news
Mama may have, papa may have
But God bless the child thats got his own
Thats got his own
Yes, the strong gets more
While the weak ones fade
Empty pockets dont ever make the grade
Mama may have, papa may have
But God bless the child thats got his own
Thats got his own
Money, youve got lots of friends
Crowding round the door
When youre gone, spending ends
They dont come no more
Rich relations give
Crust of bread and such
You can help yourself
But dont take too much
Mama may have, papa may have
But God bless the child thats got his own
Thats got his own
Mama may have, papa may have
But God bless the child thats got his own
Thats got his own
He just worry bout nothin
Cause hes got his own
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 20:01 |
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life is harder on the black man than it's on women
THE PROOF OF THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS WHERE?? OR IS IT JUST A SWEEPING STATEMENT TO BE IGNORED....
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 20:12 |
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BIG L wrote: if you don't believe just check how many black men go to university or pursue higher education. enuff hardship in life, but black men got it the worst. Some men get it so raw that they don't even have a mum or dad to turn to. True soldiers. 
You don't really know the true conditions of Africans in the diaspora if you truly believe that statement.
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 20:33 |
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Seriously BIg L...this bit about men having it harder is total rubbish, you cannot take the so called gains made by some women in the WEST to denote that men have it harder....pound for pound women have it harder on every level....
Drugs....the implications for any woman who misused narcotics for example are far more severe than if a man is caught using.....if I as a father get caught it is unlikely that i will be reported to child protection, it is unlikely that i will be judged as morally corupt and it is far more likely that i will have an easier time accessing services that my female counterpart....fact..
Employment...pound for pound the burden of child care rest almost always on the women, they are EXPECTED to assume responsibility, to for emotional and phyusical care, although this has changed somewhat over recent years..
Crime....Women are far more likely to get a custodial sentence and then get penalised again with the lost of their children....Women are far more likely to go prison for relatively minor offences such as shoplifting, non payment of TV licences, council tax etc etc...than men fact.. Plus any mother put in front of a court for homicide is far more like to get a sever sentence, based on the view women are not supposed to do that..
Mental Health I could go on..but all of the above applies......in this field too..and trust me people are far less forgiving of sick women...
when it come to being exploited financially, sexually and emotionally pound for pound that is more likely to be a woman.....
And if we move away from the West and look at non West aligneed countries the rights of women are far less likely to be respected....Women has far less say in their future.. and their far more women in POVERTY in such country than men....fact!!!
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Posted: Thursday April 5th, 2007 20:48 |
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Errrm
I don't fancy starting world war three so never mind argh

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Seriously BIg L...this bit about men having it harder is total rubbish, you cannot take the so called gains made by some women in the WEST to denote that men have it harder....pound for pound women have it harder on every level....
Drugs....the implications for any woman who misused narcotics for example are far more severe than if a man is caught using.....if I as a father get caught it is unlikely that i will be reported to child protection, it is unlikely that i will be judged as morally corupt and it is far more likely that i will have an easier time accessing services that my female counterpart....fact..
Employment...pound for pound the burden of child care rest almost always on the women, they are EXPECTED to assume responsibility, to for emotional and phyusical care, although this has changed somewhat over recent years..
Crime....Women are far more likely to get a custodial sentence and then get penalised again with the lost of their children....Women are far more likely to go prison for relatively minor offences such as shoplifting, non payment of TV licences, council tax etc etc...than men fact.. Plus any mother put in front of a court for homicide is far more like to get a sever sentence, based on the view women are not supposed to do that..
Mental Health I could go on..but all of the above applies......in this field too..and trust me people are far less forgiving of sick women...
when it come to being exploited financially, sexually and emotionally pound for pound that is more likely to be a woman.....
And if we move away from the West and look at non West aligneed countries the rights of women are far less likely to be respected....Women has far less say in their future.. and their far more women in POVERTY in such country than men....fact!!!
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Where do I begin with you? You simply have taken a small snap shoot of modern social dynamics and tried to turn the clock back 70 years. This is utter madness and I will tell you why.
Men on average have to take greater financial risk than women, and when the stakes are high the man has no safety net to catch him from hitting the cold ass floor. Women in a modern social ecomical structure such as Britain who are not working receive better benefits in general, ask the local job seekers allowance line. On average if a women does not work she gets benefits much more than the man. And she can lie to the state, play cat & mouse if you will. But the man is required to find work ASAP and they be casing his ass non-stop right up to the day he finds a job.
Now another massive advantage women have over men in social economies is social benefits and free housing. On the surface it would seem that single mothers with small children need a roof over their heads, and I agree. But where it goes from being a welfare state to a piss taking state becomes clear when you look at the amount of people be Turing up to that joint. All working but not paying rent, maximize profits and move out quickly before the authorities have a clue. Believe, not even Adam smith (father of modern economics) could think of such a scam to work and reap massive profits for third party squatters. And he was a genius in producing wealth and why nations get wealthier.
Let me tell you one time when I was the home delivery driver for the supermarket that I work in because theirs no parking. I delivered to this women’s house it was a council estate area, and when she open the door their where 5-6 grown ass men in the house and three sports cars on the driveway. I got talking to this women and she told that she’s on welfare and her kids are away to their grandma’s house for the next 6 months. I asked out of curiosity if they’re where any neighbors putting up rooms for let. And she told this woman down the road was. I ask what would be the typical asking price for a room £85. I look at her and asked what’s the rent value of the whole house. She said the council pays for it, maybe £100 per week. I didn’t ask about the men in the house because I new either she’s f**king them all or at least 4 of them where living their for free. So you women have a easier time convincing the government that they are fragile like a ceramic plate, but at the same time want to flex some muscle when they want it. A single farther would never get away with pulling something like that, let alone a free yard. And who loose when marriages fail? It use to be women that got left flat foot and dust in her teeth, unless the man was a kind man and throw her a bone. But today divorce women make more money than bank robbers or crack dealers. No lie 
In today’s society of ever increasing single mother’s and teenage pregnancies the wealth fare state is being used as a fall back cushion and people are making serious money out of it. Women are treated much better than they where 70 years ago. In fact men are so scared of making women feel bad that some have even choose to put their manhood on the line just to please her insecurities and low social rank. Why bring up the way the Middle East treat their women? The Arabs are as complex as they are simple. A people, whose problems have no real bearing on Africa and it’s social dynamics. 
On higher education, black men are not hot on the subject not because they don’t have the mental capacity but it’s a pure financial reason, and people judge such investment as purely in terms of money. Young girls go to uni because daddy will cover the cost of her tuitions fees. And thus black men become blue-collar workers and some never set foot in classroom after 16 let alone a university. Women can live at home as long as they like, hell they can stay their until their 100, and not contribute to the running of the house i.e phone bill..ect. all they do with their money is spend it on themselves buying such things as shoes. From the age of 18 sometimes at 16 black boys have to find a way out of this concert jungle and no mommy or daddy to come save you. To busy trying to keep a roof over my head than to worry about an expensive education. 
You see KunJufu it’s not about who women are treated or what hardships they face during childbirth. It’s all about the amount of finical help they get to the average blue-collar worker. In social democracies like Britain people can easy milk the welfare system and no one’s in a better position than women or single mothers second are the Asians but that’s a whole different topic. 
Big L 
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BIG L wrote: Seriously BIg L...this bit about men having it harder is total rubbish, you cannot take the so called gains made by some women in the WEST to denote that men have it harder....pound for pound women have it harder on every level....
Drugs....the implications for any woman who misused narcotics for example are far more severe than if a man is caught using.....if I as a father get caught it is unlikely that i will be reported to child protection, it is unlikely that i will be judged as morally corupt and it is far more likely that i will have an easier time accessing services that my female counterpart....fact..
Employment...pound for pound the burden of child care rest almost always on the women, they are EXPECTED to assume responsibility, to for emotional and phyusical care, although this has changed somewhat over recent years..
Crime....Women are far more likely to get a custodial sentence and then get penalised again with the lost of their children....Women are far more likely to go prison for relatively minor offences such as shoplifting, non payment of TV licences, council tax etc etc...than men fact.. Plus any mother put in front of a court for homicide is far more like to get a sever sentence, based on the view women are not supposed to do that..
Mental Health I could go on..but all of the above applies......in this field too..and trust me people are far less forgiving of sick women...
when it come to being exploited financially, sexually and emotionally pound for pound that is more likely to be a woman.....
And if we move away from the West and look at non West aligneed countries the rights of women are far less likely to be respected....Women has far less say in their future.. and their far more women in POVERTY in such country than men....fact!!!
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Where do I begin with you? You simply have taken a small snap shoot of modern social dynamics and tried to turn the clock back 70 years. This is utter madness and I will tell you why.
Men on average have to take greater financial risk than women, and when the stakes are high the man has no safety net to catch him from hitting the cold ass floor. Women in a modern social ecomical structure such as Britain who are not working receive better benefits in general, ask the local job seekers allowance line. On average if a women does not work she gets benefits much more than the man. And she can lie to the state, play cat & mouse if you will. But the man is required to find work ASAP and they be casing his ass non-stop right up to the day he finds a job.
Now another massive advantage women have over men in social economies is social benefits and free housing. On the surface it would seem that single mothers with small children need a roof over their heads, and I agree. But where it goes from being a welfare state to a piss taking state becomes clear when you look at the amount of people be Turing up to that joint. All working but not paying rent, maximize profits and move out quickly before the authorities have a clue. Believe, not even Adam smith (father of modern economics) could think of such a scam to work and reap massive profits for third party squatters. And he was a genius in producing wealth and why nations get wealthier.
Let me tell you one time when I was the home delivery driver for the supermarket that I work in because theirs no parking. I delivered to this women’s house it was a council estate area, and when she open the door their where 5-6 grown ass men in the house and three sports cars on the driveway. I got talking to this women and she told that she’s on welfare and her kids are away to their grandma’s house for the next 6 months. I asked out of curiosity if they’re where any neighbors putting up rooms for let. And she told this woman down the road was. I ask what would be the typical asking price for a room £85. I look at her and asked what’s the rent value of the whole house. She said the council pays for it, maybe £100 per week. I didn’t ask about the men in the house because I new either she’s f**king them all or at least 4 of them where living their for free. So you women have a easier time convincing the government that they are fragile like a ceramic plate, but at the same time want to flex some muscle when they want it. A single farther would never get away with pulling something like that, let alone a free yard. And who loose when marriages fail? It use to be women that got left flat foot and dust in her teeth, unless the man was a kind man and throw her a bone. But today divorce women make more money than bank robbers or crack dealers. No lie 
In today’s society of ever increasing single mother’s and teenage pregnancies the wealth fare state is being used as a fall back cushion and people are making serious money out of it. Women are treated much better than they where 70 years ago. In fact men are so scared of making women feel bad that some have even choose to put their manhood on the line just to please her insecurities and low social rank. Why bring up the way the Middle East treat their women? The Arabs are as complex as they are simple. A people, whose problems have no real bearing on Africa and it’s social dynamics. 
On higher education, black men are not hot on the subject not because they don’t have the mental capacity but it’s a pure financial reason, and people judge such investment as purely in terms of money. Young girls go to uni because daddy will cover the cost of her tuitions fees. And thus black men become blue-collar workers and some never set foot in classroom after 16 let alone a university. Women can live at home as long as they like, hell they can stay their until their 100, and not contribute to the running of the house i.e phone bill..ect. all they do with their money is spend it on themselves buying such things as shoes. From the age of 18 sometimes at 16 black boys have to find a way out of this concert jungle and no mommy or daddy to come save you. To busy trying to keep a roof over my head than to worry about an expensive education. 
You see KunJufu it’s not about who women are treated or what hardships they face during childbirth. It’s all about the amount of finical help they get to the average blue-collar worker. In social democracies like Britain people can easy milk the welfare system and no one’s in a better position than women or single mothers second are the Asians but that’s a whole different topic. 
Big L 
Big L,your style and your content on this post sound eerily like FredBlack. I've never come to that conclusion,before with your posts. Either u two are the same person, or you are channeling him for this post.
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Posted: Friday April 6th, 2007 08:24 |
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@Big L
LOL
why are you trying to copy Fredblacks style of writing, *attempted* terminology of words.
you impressionable puppy you...lol
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Posted: Friday April 6th, 2007 08:26 |
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sis, just read your post, you got their before me!
LOL
talk about being lead like a sheep!
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Posted: Friday April 6th, 2007 11:53 |
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Sooofresh wrote: @G
sis, just read your post, you got their before me!
LOL
talk about being lead like a sheep!
LOL. You don't miss a thing, just like I don't,sis.
I have to say though, the post reads more than just like "attempting to copy" FredBlack's style, to me. The font, the emoticons, the self confidence/arrogance/cetainty of being right, the content:"social economies, Adam Smith, social dynamics, Black women as welfare queens, the need to place Black women in competition for everything, with Black men, EVEN who has it the worst, while simultaneously claiming Black women are NO competition for Black men,lol, referencing the social dynamics of the 70's etc.".....hmmmm. Big L is supposed to be what, 20, going to school for mechanical engineering or something? All of a sudden he starts talking like someone with a Social Science/Sociology background, who knows about the sociological runnings in the 1970's?????? Dude just switched up his whole style and content, on a dime. I'm about to do like Emperor Impactplayer, and launch an investigation, make sure there is no funny business going on. I smell a rat,lol.
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Posted: Friday April 6th, 2007 12:10 |
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Was Fredblack the one that schooled you young girls in that charismas thread about black women secretly loving white men and their pull on money? if it is then i salute the man for his thoughts that brother has pure wisdom that we all need to read. sooofresh it's simple, no Imitation, just wisdom.
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