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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:38 |
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Didn't you post something about a Nigerian doctor who had married someone white with 3 kids and how proud she was of him ect in some other thread?
I'm not forcing you, or anyone else to choose anything I would think you are an adult.
I didn't make the thread about the African actor and his partner of another race either.
But when I give a view on relationships, or show that theres more than oneway, I'm then pushing an agenda or the IR agenda.
Er. . .yeah, I posted about a Nigerian doctor. What on earth does that have to do with our conversation?
Now if you aren't pushing IRRs, exactly what are you pushing? African Enpowerment? Please. . .you could give a damn. Your issue is the same as every other confused African that I have ever met.
What excuse can I use to run away from my people and my culture? And what can I do to convince folks to leave with me so I don't feel so lonely?
Forget the excuses and damn the loneliness. Do your thing. And let us do our own.
You see, you are an interloper. And I am asking you why can't you hangout with the like-minded? I wish you and yours the best. But I don't think the majority of "Black" folks come here to talk about Interracial Dating. That should be painfully obvious by now. It is terribly troubling to come to an African forum, to talk about African problems, to talk about Africans loving one another, only to be constantly interrupted with folks who want to talk about Interracial marriages.
The two goals are just not the same. They were put on separate paths over 500 years ago. We are trying to deal with the results of that "schism". If you want to go and talk about brotherly love, go back and tell that stuff to "White" folks. Tell them to stop being racist and we can have this whole thing resolved very quickly.
Until then, Africans have to do what they can to help and love one another, because there is one thing that has been proven with an absolute certainty throughout all of human history, it is for damn sure nobody else will.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:40 |
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Justavoice wrote: In short, if you want to get at a man, and a strong man at that, attack him through his woman.
This is why rastaman has to look out for them guys who suck pu$$y. Moses was a dreadlocks who trod with a staff!!
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:44 |
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Justavoice wrote: i will not allow any woman to step up in my face and try to contend with me as a man. She better use her feminine wiles to extract what she needs
But aren't women accused of being sy, manipulative and usin sex to get what they want when they do this? Why should a woman have to use "femenine wiles" when she may have intelligence and abilities to achieve what she wants, without having to pander to a mans ego? 
Surely a man on the receiving end of these "wiles" will simply feel manipulated?
For me personally, when i speak of "equality" i am talking about intelligence and abilities. Though if you want to talk about physical stuff, I do ALL the DIY in my house lol (well the only male IS just 4 years old!)
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:48 |
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MB - I'm all for equality, it's when women think they are mans equal because they've got a job that perturbs me
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:50 |
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| What is your definition of equality Incognito?
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:53 |
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In terms of a relationship it's when two people equal one.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:56 |
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| What about in terms of "in general" say, in the workplace or any other arena?
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 20:59 |
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Believe everyone deserves the right to reach on merit to the degree I think it should be compulsory that the workforce should include a representive percentage of handicapped people.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:05 |
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| Well, see, I agree completly. Everyone SOULD chieve their goals etc on the merits of their intelligence and abilities and how hard they have worked. I find it rather patronizing that there are still men out there who would disregard all that in a woman for the sake of some soft words and fluttered eyelashes, particulalry as i am one of those few women who either has no "femenine wiles" or else doesn;t know how to use them lol
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:11 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: Justavoice wrote: i will not allow any woman to step up in my face and try to contend with me as a man. She better use her feminine wiles to extract what she needs
But aren't women accused of being sy, manipulative and usin sex to get what they want when they do this? Why should a woman have to use "femenine wiles" when she may have intelligence and abilities to achieve what she wants, without having to pander to a mans ego?
Surely a man on the receiving end of these "wiles" will simply feel manipulated?
For me personally, when i speak of "equality" i am talking about intelligence and abilities. Though if you want to talk about physical stuff, I do ALL the DIY in my house lol (well the only male IS just 4 years old!)
@Madam Butterfly
No i'm not saying a woman must make herself void of intelligence, neither put her abiliities aside, but most women don't understand the power of their femininity that God as given them, and those that understand it use to wreak havoc amongst men.
I'm talking of women who behave like men, because they see themself no different from a man because they think that bringing in a wage suddenly changed their gender and how they ought to approach and behave before a man. The honour is gone, because the order is lost.
You watch white women, as much as they talk a good feminism, you look as many as them are managers in companies, who are the head chair men and Directors & CEO's of these top companies ? by on large white men. They have not messed with the order amongst themselves but they will mess with our order.
being feminine is not a weakness, that is western philosophy, being feminine is but a different form of strength.
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You don't see that rasta get their respect as men though. If one thing i love them for its for that. I know one rasta, everytime i see him its like looking at a lion.
These days too much boys walking around in the shell of Men's bodies.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:23 |
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Again you're going with the pushing an Agenda theme.
Pretty hard not to, considering your Papua New Guinea episode awhile back, and also you seem only be involved in topics about race, which shows where you mind is at. You seem incapable of talking about anything else and listening from what I've witnessed.
So No kind of government stats will make you believe reality because you think its all make believe.
Government stats. Yeah. I think know enough about the country I was born in. The same sort of stats say that the Tories are the most popular party currently. BBC websites and statistics are often believed.
First of all why would there be accurate stats for people who aren't married, those sort of stats are quite hard to attain, it's difficult enough tracking illegal immigrants down in this place even if they are processed. In fact it would be impossible, considering that there is no way to find out who is dating who at any one time.
Secondly you must think all black women are under 35 or something. The first generation of blacks here make up quite a high percentage still thankfully. Basically your saying that 80% of black women under 30 are dating white men currently which simply isn't true....yet....but will be if things continue the way they are..
Only 2% of all marriages in this country are inter-ethnic. Which obviously means that 98% of all peoples marry within their own race still.
The most common type of inter-ethnic marriages are between White and Mixed race folk, 26% of all inter-ethnic marriages.
Which already renders your 30% figure impossible by the way, if you knew how to read statistics you'd understand why that is the case..
White and Black Caribbean marriages make up only 15% of all "inter-ethnic" marriages.
Mixed race people are the most likely group to be married to someone outside their own ethnic group (78%). The population of mixed raced folk is relatively small so there's limited opportunities for them to marry someone from the same ethnic group anyway, so that stat is to be expected. Though mixed race people generally are married to someone from a related ethnic group.
Those men who described their own ethnic group as "Mixed" White and Black Caribbean’, 76% were married to White women, 8% to Black Caribbean women and 11% to "Mixed" White and Black Caribbean’ women.
Those who described their ethnic group as "Other Black", mainly the young Black folk born in here, are the next most likely group to be married to someone outside their own race, followed by Afro-Caribbean people. Almost five in ten Other Black men (48 per cent) and three in ten Afro-Caribbean men (29 per cent) were married to women outside the Black ethnic group, and in most cases to White women.
The fact that most inter-ethnic marriages include a White person, White people are still the least likely to be married to someone outside their of their ethnic group. Only 1 per cent of White men or women had done so. White people form the majority of the population in England and Wales (91 per cent) so consequently there are limited opportunities to marry people from a so called minority ethnic group. This is particularly true for people living outside London, where the minority population is still very small.
The pattern of inter-ethnic marriages are similar for men and women. The only exceptions were that Black women were less likely than Black men to have married outside their own ethnic group, and Chinese women were more likely than Chinese men to have done so.
Black males are around 50% more likely than black females to marry outside their race in the UK currently, that figure will continue increase as well especially since black women continue to do better than males, and black males continue to be discrimnated against amongst other reason and so do rather poorly, and so are more likely to end up wth the white working class females, thus producing even more mixed race kids.
Don't mistake me for giving a sh*t about who marries who, since it's mostly a class thing anyway, and since Black women are more likely to be middleclass these days than black males for the reasons stated above, they soon will be marrying white men in larger numbers, thus producing even more mixed raced kids. While the black males continue to end up with the white workingclass women. That will contiune happen unless black males suddenly start doing better financially.
To answer the person who started the topic, the answer would be yes for the middleclass black women, since middleclass white men are more financially secure, so are more likely to gravitate to the people more like themselves and not to people poorer than them (black males in this case) which often means less educated. The relationship wouldn't be a productive one anyway, so it only natural for most in that position to look elsewhere.
In 200 years it will be the mixed race people, along with the newer migrants to the UK with these issues, since they'll be no blacks left. Which is why it's probably best to concentrate on the continent of origin where inter-mixing isn't a problem to the point of wiping each other out. I really couldn't give a toss what 1 or 2 million people out of race of 1 plus billion do with themselves. They simply won't exist in time.
The future existence of Blacks in the UK is f**ked, pure and simple. They'd be f**ked alot quicker if it wasn't for white racism which ironically gives the existence of blacks in Britain another hundred years or so, because it slows down assimilation, cultural assimilation especially so, and another amusing reason is black single mothers, because if alot of those Black men were loyal to them and not wotless as people call them and, and not impregnating other black women they'd be even fewer blacks in future generations here.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:36 |
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Justavoice wrote: men compliment women meaning they need each other.
No, women compliment men. When women begin to get back to the basics of life they will fare better.
Man was not made for the woman, but woman for the man.
I knew you would fall for that. I just wanted all to see how ignorant you are. Men and women compliment each other. A person who would care about which way it is said is a person with prejudice. By the way, your theory of women being made for the man is a scientific impossibility. Women are born with XX chromosomes, men are born with XY. Before the baby if fully formed it is XX always. Depending on the necessary mutation men will emerge. Men are a mutation of women. This is why if a female were to get a projection of what they would have looked like were they males, they are told this is what you would have looked like had your chromosome lost a leg, not gained one. It is likely that women were on this planet first. All evidence points to that effect. So I would not bother with your adam and eve nonsense because it is well known that males are a mutation of the female form. In other words, women were here first and men were made for women.
You are actually proving the point i wished to make about how women think today and how black women adopting white women idea's is playing havoc in out communial set up.
how am I doing that. I am a man. Ras means prince. You should have been able to figure it out from the name. I cannot prove to you how women think because I am a male.
In the war in Iraq, what was one of the first thing the white man claim he was trying to do, free Iraqi women and children from their tyrranous leaders. To free them from wearing the Hijab and from sexism.
Some of what the West is involving themselves in run back in these peoples traditions and cultures for years. However they white man no more cares about Afghan or Iraqi women wearing Hijabs than they did about African women being raped during the Apatheid years in South Africa.
What they mean to do, is demonize the men in the eyes of their women. To attack the man through is woman.
This is nonsense so I will not bother commenting as it is all based upon assumptions.
correction, i was not trying to say black woman want to hear that black boys are not doing well, I am saying in the ears of black women who already have a loathing toward their men such news must be sweet to them.
Fair enough, however i do not like you saying it like there are enough for them to even be significant for discussion.
I'm not talking about every sister, you have concious black woman out there very wise to the game.
However and this isn't just black women, this is modern day women in general wish to compete with men and you are right about me, for i will not allow any woman to step up in my face and try to contend with me as a man. She better use her feminine wiles to extract what she needs but come as a man and i'll deal with her as such. This is a lesson taught to me by my black mother. Don't make know woman take her dress tail and cover you head. Woman is not a easy something. These are lessons taught to me by my mother.
Just because you were taught by your mother it does not mean you know women, you know your mother and everything she says to you is not necessarily right. That is supposed to be something children learn in the earliest stages of development. I am surprised you do not know it now.
So i know good black woman, but why throw away your femininity in order to compete with a man. What man wants a woman who have her front teeth knocked out and scar down her face from battle. Woman throughout history are known for their splendour and beauty right up to now, they are not renowned for strength or fighting valour. You are speaking to me of exceptions to the norm.
I am speaking to you of the norm for Africans before their cultures changed due to exogenous stimuli. They were renowned for their strength and even rescently historically. Look up queen Nzinga of Angola/Kongo and you will see what I mean. She was a beautiful woman and defeated many a warrior. She fought with her men and survived every battle. Many of the ancient women survived these battles too and kept their teeth. I do not know why you presume that women would have more battle scars than men, maybe it is because of your blatently negative attitude towards women. You are always going on about western women and western attitudes. Well you forget many African cultures were and still are Matriarchal in their structure. Patriarchy is a more western concept for societal makeup and patriarchy was the was of the homosexuals and racists who wrote the bible that you continually throw in my face as evidence of female behaviour when it is a book with many translations which were written by some of the most racist and misogynist men on the planet. However good luck if you wish to convince people that women should be under men. Good luck if you can convince a woman of that who does not follow a religion.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:37 |
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:38 |
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OK Justaavoice, I see what you're saying. In that case, how would you personally describe femeninity and femenine wiles? Sometimes people can get into pointless arguments because they think they are talking about the same thing when the other person means something entirly different. That is why you will sometimes see me ask people to define what they mean.
For example, its funny you should say " feminine is not a weakness, that is western philosophy, being feminine is but a different form of strength " as i have thought the opposite. So what would your defenitions of the terms be?
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:42 |
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Incognito wrote:This is why rastaman has to look out for them guys who suck pu$$y. Moses was a dreadlocks who trod with a staff!!
Moses did not exist. Full stop historically there was no such event or man. So I fail to see how he was a rasta.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:55 |
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:56 |
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I dont think blk women desire white men more than black men---please!!! theres no way, but from a women who has admittedly dated white/ arab/ mixed race (but not mixed black) men there is a growing perecentage of sista's who have had enough of the ill treatment, being insulted by black men who choose to walk past you and step to your white friend.
we dont expect blk men to be perfect, but just a majority to be a bit better than what they are now, im sorry it has to be said. of course there'll be deadbeats but could the most of them be winners who are responsible, educated, sensible, respectful and hardworking. there are stupid blk women who are of low calibre i wont deny- we too are not perfect, there are many areas i see amongst the baby machines and overly sexually active young women i cant abide. All i can do and advise others to do is seperate yourself from those who say they want thugs and all that crap... let the rats kill the rats and the rest of us build together.
white men aren't better than black men, different of course- maybe less "hype" than your avarage 20 something..not doing that fake fronting pretending to hate all women, i wont call you im busy, b**ch, hoe, im a business man, major attitude bull crap all day all night... but they aint got soul.
but black men be honest- walk around your hood and take a long hard look. Don't deny that IR is past crisis point amongst blk men and don't deny that there are plenty of wasters in our community who may never change- it is nagative when critique comes from a blk women but cool when blk men are shooting eachother, working the kitchen serving time at H.M.P!, selling drugs, doing bank fraud, producing babies and pissing off etc- is that no more damaging? many blk women run you'll down because we are tired and desperate and only want the best the softy softy approach just bounces of black mens over confident ears. white women dont do this because they do not live our lives and have no business worrying about the fate of black men- they just want kinky haired sprogs to show off down peckham market. and you say you like em cos they dont judge you- they dont give a damn fools! We dont want any other men- just you. But i have to say many a time you let us down, make us look the fool and disrespect us- of course our views will alter and we will become nagative and hard.
now back to me dating outside my race, candidly, i have done it on and off- starting as a natural attraction when i was teen to a one white boy, then as i got older i decided IR was not for me- i wanted (and think i still do) a black man but as the years went by from one thing to another the hope started to fleet- however that tired excuse is never a good enough reason to loose hope. Now i have concluded I will not limit myself to dating only black men as they do not QUITE CLEARLY limit themselves to me and my sisters. Ill be waiting all day mate.
though i admit i do not want to jump of this mixed race child bearing wagon that is sweeping England, so im reserving my last bit of hope for when i am ready to marry. God willing a black man, who is strong, honest, faithful and in love with his children enough never to leave us and always provide.
black men themselves are on the flip side of their mass IR telling black women and your own nemesis white men, it is cool- we don't want blk women- go do your thing.
When i see a fine brother looking at me from afar and I smile back, only for him to be joined swiftly by a white girl- imagine how my heart sinks when this happens day in day out. I blink and see IR in my flipping sleep!!! I don't even bother looking at certain brothers because I know as fine as I am they would never splash on a black girl- and i know this without even speaking... damn what a reality to accept
so why kid myself? when these "urban" white/ non black dudes are getting wise and brave- stepping up big time to fill in the gap left by black men- maybe they too are fed up of their so called women running off with the "other". White men used to be weary on blk women, they used to know chances are we'd laugh and point- Oh Not anymore my friend not any more. But how can they deny there are tons of beautys out there who are single and probably feel rejected and insecure because their men constantly display how unimpressed they are. i had a white boy who liked me ask his black friend to hook him up with me!! now that is cheeky, but presumably cool since black men appear not to give a damn....its like you want that last slice of your pizza? no? ill take that then! And how can these (including me) women pretend, deny or make excuses for black men anymore- its got the point that every body knows!! and they will tell a blk women to her damn face he aint want you- your black!!- "yeh i bet he likes blondes with a tan" as i was told by a cheeky overconfident white friend about a fine brother- though he was mixed race but turns out she was right!- obviously!!
black men seem to prefer non black women
whether its true or not- thats how it reads to the world
Its actually a shame because I rather have a fine smart brother come up to me in a bar or at work but i see they are already taken, and it seems there is no reason for IR to be taboo anymore thanks to black men bringing into the mainstream,so why should I sit at home? when fine looking non black are running me down like crazy...works both ways, right?
i will never go out and advise my girls to ditch blk men, i have my own issuses with blk men to deal with!!! so i just keep quiet... but brothers how long can we be neglected, our humble silence and forced acceptence of white women into our families and friends is an example of the amazing strengh of black women, why our brothers diss us I will never know
and have the cheek to ask if we really want white men.... pppffff
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 21:57 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: OK Justaavoice, I see what you're saying. In that case, how would you personally describe femeninity and femenine wiles? Sometimes people can get into pointless arguments because they think they are talking about the same thing when the other person means something entirly different. That is why you will sometimes see me ask people to define what they mean.
For example, its funny you should say " feminine is not a weakness, that is western philosophy, being feminine is but a different form of strength " as i have thought the opposite. So what would your defenitions of the terms be?
Sis, I think you should take a look at his initial post again. It is very clear where he stands. However if you wish to continue asking him questions, good luck. According to him it is his god given right to lord over women. If you have any criticisms I would love to see how he takes them.
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Posted: Thursday December 14th, 2006 22:07 |
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wifeable wrote: I dont think blk women desire white men more than black men---please!!! theres no way, but from a women who has admittedly dated white/ arab/ mixed race (but not mixed black) men there is a growing perecentage of sista's who have had enough of the ill treatment, being insulted by black men who choose to walk past you and step to your white friend.
we dont expect blk men to be perfect, but just a majority to be a bit better than what they are now, im sorry it has to be said. of course there'll be deadbeats but could the most of them be winners who are responsible, educated, sensible, respectful and hardworking. there are stupid blk women who are of low calibre i wont deny- we too are not perfect, there are many areas i see amongst the baby machines and overly sexually active young women i cant abide. All i can do and advise others to do is seperate yourself from those who say they want thugs and all that crap... let the rats kill the rats and the rest of us build together.
white men aren't better than black men, different of course- maybe less "hype" than your avarage 20 something..not doing that fake fronting pretending to hate all women, i wont call you im busy, b**ch, hoe, im a business man, major attitude bull crap all day all night... but they aint got soul.
but black men be honest- walk around your hood and take a long hard look. Don't deny that IR is past crisis point amongst blk men and don't deny that there are plenty of wasters in our community who may never change- it is nagative when critique comes from a blk women but cool when blk men are shooting eachother, working the kitchen serving time at H.M.P!, selling drugs, doing bank fraud, producing babies and pissing off etc- is that no more damaging? many blk women run you'll down because we are tired and desperate and only want the best the softy softy approach just bounces of black mens over confident ears. white women dont do this because they do not live our lives and have no business worrying about the fate of black men- they just want kinky haired sprogs to show off down peckham market. and you say you like em cos they dont judge you- they dont give a damn fools! We dont want any other men- just you. But i have to say many a time you let us down, make us look the fool and disrespect us- of course our views will alter and we will become nagative and hard.
now back to me dating outside my race, candidly, i have done it on and off- starting as a natural attraction when i was teen to a one white boy, then as i got older i decided IR was not for me- i wanted (and think i still do) a black man but as the years went by from one thing to another the hope started to fleet- however that tired excuse is never a good enough reason to loose hope. Now i have concluded I will not limit myself to dating only black men as they do not QUITE CLEARLY limit themselves to me and my sisters. Ill be waiting all day mate.
though i admit i do not want to jump of this mixed race child bearing wagon that is sweeping England, so im reserving my last bit of hope for when i am ready to marry. God willing a black man, who is strong, honest, faithful and in love with his children enough never to leave us and always provide.
black men themselves are on the flip side of their mass IR telling black women and your own nemesis white men, it is cool- we don't want blk women- go do your thing.
When i see a fine brother looking at me from afar and I smile back, only for him to be joined swiftly by a white girl- imagine how my heart sinks when this happens day in day out. I blink and see IR in my flipping sleep!!! I don't even bother looking at certain brothers because I know as fine as I am they would never splash on a black girl- and i know this without even speaking... damn what a reality to accept
so why kid myself? when these "urban" white/ non black dudes are getting wise and brave- stepping up big time to fill in the gap left by black men- maybe they too are fed up of their so called women running off with the "other". White men used to be weary on blk women, they used to know chances are we'd laugh and point- Oh Not anymore my friend not any more. But how can they deny there are tons of beautys out there who are single and probably feel rejected and insecure because their men constantly display how unimpressed they are. i had a white boy who liked me ask his black friend to hook him up with me!! now that is cheeky, but presumably cool since black men appear not to give a damn....its like you want that last slice of your pizza? no? ill take that then! And how can these (including me) women pretend, deny or make excuses for black men anymore- its got the point that every body knows!! and they will tell a blk women to her damn face he aint want you- your black!!- "yeh i bet he likes blondes with a tan" as i was told by a cheeky overconfident white friend about a fine brother- though he was mixed race but turns out she was right!- obviously!!
black men seem to prefer non black women
whether its true or not- thats how it reads to the world
Its actually a shame because I rather have a fine smart brother come up to me in a bar or at work but i see they are already taken, and it seems there is no reason for IR to be taboo anymore thanks to black men bringing into the mainstream,so why should I sit at home? when fine looking non black are running me down like crazy...works both ways, right?
i will never go out and advise my girls to ditch blk men, i have my own issuses with blk men to deal with!!! so i just keep quiet... but brothers how long can we be neglected, our humble silence and forced acceptence of white women into our families and friends is an example of the amazing strengh of black women, why our brothers diss us I will never know
and have the cheek to ask if we really want white men.... pppffff
I am going to excercise now so I will post to this properly later. However i would like to say this. This is why i was having the initial arguement with Fred B. We are all attacking each other for no reason. I will have to deal with all of these inacuracies later. All of your ideologies are based on reaction when you are talking about IR dating. You play into the hype like everybody else. There is no large amount of IR dating in britian, no more than anywhere else. Those stats have been explained. The large majority of Africans are with African people. That is the fact of the situation. However this system seems to have perfectly created a culture of lemming behaviour when it comes to things that concern thinking. How can you just believe that if you see and you hear people are dating outside of the race, you are cool to do it too. Reactionary. How can you believe that you have been mistreated so "why kid myself" in your words because other people are "stepping up". come better than that. That is reactionary. I will properly discuss your post later if someone doesn't get there first.
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