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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 10:51 |
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 11:38 |
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@FredBlack
JV. I hear and feel that experience. And it is funny but also a good thing.
But the commonality is you could of ended up in prison and I for even longer had the enemy had his way. Your life could have mash from that day as mine and we could both be walking on the streets talking to ourselves like too many other brothers we see.
By the grace of god that was not to be and for me i am just too bad minded to give my enemy the pleasure.
But we are blessed to have no doubts who our enemies are and what must be done to defeat them. Those who do not can rarely have that understanding and the things that go with it. That is the diffferenec between a vetrand who knows the battlefeild and one who is still in training school.
So we see the enemy and his system for what it is and therefore know we and him can or will never be friends and therefore do otherwise.
But same flex we know how weak and vulnerable he is.
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Very true at the time I did not enjoy the experience at all, but I learned some lessons from it. Funny you mentioned also about how I could have walked away from the incident, because one of the first things they tried was to get some nurse to assess me once they realised they made a big mistake. However I was finger printed, swobbed for DNA the works and have not commited an offense.
As you say we see the enemy and his system, from there you can only adjust and deal with it. As for knowing their vulnerability and weakness, LOL "weakness" being one of the significant words.. Trust me I saw many, saw their fears too.
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But the biggest joke in all of this is a' fancy me she fancy me yu nuh!
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Boy, I don't even know where to start with this thread. It seems that its easy for the sisters to say don't be wotless, easy to say make something of yourselves whilst the doors are opened to you and closed to us. There is a lack of how can I say "Standing in my shoes" and seeing it from our point of view.
I read somewhere that black people the only ones in this unique predicament where we are in a land that does not accept us. The Jews after the Holocaust had Israel to go back to, but the African diaspora, what have they to go back to. Then you hear clumsy arguments like, try harder, get up and work, while we are yet in the hand and land of our oppressors.
I shared my incident with the police in this thread to highlight how black men can be dealt with in this country, and the only person who commented back was FredB and seem to understand where I was coming from. Easy to say work harder, don't complain. The white mainstream are saying the same thing, they saying suffer in silence because we really don't care. Now to hear the same thing coming from our women, its a sad day.
Traps are set for black men on a daily, in the area I live, they search black youth's like its joke and I watch many a police man conditioning our kids to believe its nothing that they should see them and assume the position and get searched for no apparent reason but that they were there. Its starts with simple little things like that which strips them of their self respect. i know, had it done to me at the age of 14, sent out my house to get food for my mums and have C.I.D. draw down on me and search, push up against a car the works and told i'm a suspect for recent armed robbery. Little experiences that i'm sure you average white youth in kent don't have to go through unless he puts himself in arms way of such things.
Some sisters are content with the way things are right now, because in essense you have become the house negro whilst every male as become the field negro. So you can tell us work harder, work harder where ? Don't make excuses, So when we tell you what goes on its an excuse ?
I know one sister, she dared one day to ask her boss why so few, sorry i mean no black men worked where she was. He told her if they were qualified then we would take them on. Now she is a very beautiful woman (yes am talking about a black woman) and doesn't have much trouble finding work and she knows her looks does help her. However i digress, she asked her boss why, he told her and then she reminded him that he took her on without being qualified for the post. He did not like it at all because she caught him out. Not long after she was gone out of that company. Sisters that enquire whats happening with the brotha's don't last long because whitey is hoping the money will make them forget us. Its working on a good many sisters out there. Anyway that sister i mentioned, she went on to get a much better role anyway.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 12:51 |
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Abs dear - what you see as a battle or brothas seeking safety in numbers is merely a reflection of yourself. What you perceive to be a war is simply pi$$ing in the wind to me....a chance to dig a rib or get in a cheapshot - I leave the real debate for people with depth and carrying no cyber animosity.
In your competitive stupor that's the best you could come up with? please, give me a break..no better still, give yourself one. Someone mentioned kittens, if it's the 40 pence you need for a kitkat send me a pm
For the most part I haven't called any names, threw some corn and babylons daughters came running in like headless chickens for a free meal. Still it would be interesting to know who it is you believe are intimidated by anyone let alone Fred and his ilk. Who are you supposed to be representing
But I'm going to play your fiddle a little. I read that quote of mine and as far as I'm concerned I wasn't bigging up Fred, I was telling him to be more understanding with women so what's your point?
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 12:54 |
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Justavoice wrote:
I shared my incident with the police in this thread to highlight how black men can be dealt with in this country, and the only person who commented back was FredB and seem to understand where I was coming from. Easy to say work harder, don't complain. The white mainstream are saying the same thing, they saying suffer in silence because we really don't care. Now to hear the same thing coming from our women, its a sad day.
Traps are set for black men on a daily, in the area I live, they search black youth's like its joke and I watch many a police man conditioning our kids to believe its nothing that they should see them and assume the position and get searched for no apparent reason but that they were there. Its starts with simple little things like that which strips them of their self respect. i know, had it done to me at the age of 14, sent out my house to get food for my mums and have C.I.D. draw down on me and search, push up against a car the works and told i'm a suspect for recent armed robbery. Little experiences that i'm sure you average white youth in kent don't have to go through unless he puts himself in arms way of such things.
Very common bro. I remember as a youth getting stopped almost daily/ sometimes ending up in police cell to be charged for some imaginary robbery which "you fit the description" and magically to have the letter through your door the day before you go back to the station-to say they dropped the charges. That aint even the half of it.
Thing is most black man will tell you to gain experinece in a field of work is diffucult in itself because even when they take you on.. they do not want you to have the knowledge and either have some white boy doing the vital work you need for experinece.who is inferior in capability... or use you as a trainer.. to big up the golden boy and progress him through the ranks. Took me a bit a time to learn to be frugal with my knowledge. I can think of at least 3 roles in which I was forced to leave because they want to handle you like some skivvy. And paying you good money for it too. Business wise it dont even make sense but thats whiteys for you. Which forces most brothers to seriously study their sh*t just to survive because the black man cannot make mistakes in that environment and they will be highlighted quicker than anybody else.
So the lack of understanding on the part of some women is sad considering they genrally do not face the same blatant agenda....are more employable in mainstream eyes. I see when ever I go to places like Deutche Bank/ the various Canary Wharf dealer floors/ and those type of institutions you only see black men generally cooking or cleaning..delivering.. or maybe a fleeting visit in a technical capacity. These are the type of places where white people generally are afraid to see you when the lift door opens and the shock registers on their eyes that here is a black man without overalls or a large package confortably going about his business in their building.
Whats even more sad bredren is tthat these black women you encounter in these places often have a frosty demeanour to you/ but playful and full of smiles for the white collegue next to her. Unless they are serving in the canteen/ or a big women 45+ age. Me I come from a time when if you see a black person in a white environment you acknowledge them as a mark of respect. A eyebrow raised or a hello. With brothers generally they understand the code.. although young bros under 25 are a funny kettle of fish and have a different culture. Itrs like when you go to any small town in England and buck up a black person you will inveitably acknowledge them.
However this is changing and whether it is between man and man or across genders it shows a shift in priorities and fragmentation or lack of identification. Hence the inability of some of these idiots to even acknowledge you or speak politely when asked for simple directions. I have even internalised it myself when approching these large companies and will ask a white women before I ask a young attractive black women behind the desk that Ive come here to see so and so.. because of the environment and having no wish to make a spectacle- I have no wish to tell some fool about basic manners and her p***yclart. Not in front of white people anyway.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 13:17 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: Gmahogany. wrote: ...but also projection,imo. I would submit that there is more valididity to the argument that many Black men, secretly and not so secretly think white women are better than Black women(since folks want to open that can of worms). Since this is how they feel, they project it onto us. Kind of like a man who has been cheating on his wife, will all of a sudden starts acting suspcious and accusing her of doing what HE has been doing,lol. I think we must be thought twins because i said pretty much the same thing in a previous post lol
Great minds......
****expects thread to get more entertaining***
****expects DSP to get more perverted***
...I do think, however, that many, do have a certain arrogance these days, towards Black women, because THEY know that the pickings are slim, for Black women, in America at least,for myriad reasons(finding a brother who is not in the custody of the penal system,not allergic to work, not gay, doesn't prefer to deal with non Black women,etc,or isn't just garden variety, crazy,perverted,immoral,abusive,which is always a concern for both genders). They know or think they know, that Black women won't explore any other options, outside of them. The "good" ones know that their stock is at a premium AND feel they have no real competition, and sometimes feel their ass should be kissed or they should be able to do whatever...
wow you must be Abs' thought twin too coz she said the exact same thing earlier lol
Great minds....... As far as the polygamy thing, we might be able to work something out.... who's "we"? lol Why, you, DSP and myself, of course.,One big happy family.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 13:30 |
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MB and Ghamohogony. Ghamohony. Will respond to your post later. But let me say sisters. Having read your posts I could challenge almost every point made and very robustly at that. But chose not to as your arguments are the better than those put forward by many sisters. This matter is about truth not simply defending.
But I will highlight a couple of glaring points. First .Ghamohogony. Abbs and myself are not saying the same thing, the class snobbery and other issues eg racism and classim in her comments are glaring. Secondly, sorry to say Ghamogony. While the US comparison is very appropriate in some instances it is not in others. For example, as you sisters said it I will respond to it.
Black women or a significant number of them for 25 years have slagged off black men from white men's media platforms in the most disgusting and derisory terms. Now I know that for a fact because I have the evidence and most of us in this country know this or can find this out very easy. That is an act of disloyatly.
Black men rarely ever do the same. Been in this game a very long time and sorry to stroke the FB ego as it is seen, my organisation launched the first black male conferences in this country so been in this area a long long time. No brother I know in concious circles would participate in a similar treatment of women. Not only are they more responsible, but usually have women eg wives or partners where most black women spokespersons who speak on this stuff do not.
The Daily Mail, Daily Express and whoever do not invite black men to criticise white people or society and talk about discrimination, even if black male spokespersons go onto encourage black men to develop particular strategies. Black men will always invariably criticse the system no matter what else they say. Black women almost invariably simply ignore the system and go direct for black men.
In fact Abbs statements could come directly from 1000 articles I have collected over 25 years. Let me name you a famous or infamous one called 'Black Men Don't Jump High Enough in the Daily Mail a double centre page cussing out black men. This paper is the open enemy of black people from day one. Again you sisters are being defensive and missing the point. I don't know one black man who expects when anyone talks about serious issues to stroke them as you implied. But they don't expect that kind of conduct playing to the white man and his audience. That is disloyalty and it is clear who the major culprit is in this specific area of media representation and its long historic roots in this country.
Let me give you something quickly from experience. I refused to participate in radio and other discussions for about over 10 years on anything to do with black men, because they are just abuse sessions which black women or too many are happy to participate in. So when I go there to talk about personal and collective strategies the radio people simply want somone to respond to these female foolish comments which I refuse to do.
In fact I read some other posts on here last night for the first time eg BT and some of the comments he made to Abbs is so correct I had to resist to respond in order not to continue the sisters discomfort and prolong potential negativity. But Tekuma was so on the money it is unbelievable.
Ladies, I have dated more than my fair share of so called professional women, usually no more than a couple of times. And if you hear the contempt and disgust they express about working class and blue collar brothers you would hold your tongue.
The thing about these stupid women is they naturally assume if you are a professional or middle class brother, they can speak about other brothers in open contempt, somehow stroking your ego that you are not like those wotless black men or somehow we and them live in isolation. In fact the majority of my people like most black people and my closets and most loved and loyal bredrins are working class and blue collared brothers.
When in fact most of these women come from working class families with fathers who busted their arses to give them an easy ride eg buying them their first flats and cars, paying for undergraduate and post graduate studies and generally working less hard than men who are their equivalents.
As I said most of these women destroy their chances of any relationship with a guy like me by what comes out of their mouths which is racist, deeply offensvie and show they are not educated to any real and serious level and pig ignorant and happy in that state.
Me I just let them finish and never date them again, and can't even bother giving them an explanation and leave them hanging. Because where do you start to explain to such women .
So sisters I did not challenge most of what you said for broader issues of concern, but please do not think anyone of cannot take some of that apart with no difficulty.
So sorry the issue is not we are saying the same things because we are not, neither are we patronisingly wanting women to stroke our egos. The women in your life strokes your ego not a woman on a white man's platform.
Condescening and basically fundamentally incorrect.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 13:55 |
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Justavoice..On the money when people adopt this child like simplicity of working harder which is my watch word but in a far more complex or subtle way than how it is expressed by too many sisters.
The traps for black men are many, because had it not been for about 10 days either way I was going to prison or a detention centre. I only put some blows on these white boys and they felt shame because they could not deal with me and to protect their ego they go for maximum charges and construct all kinds of sh*t to make sure they can hold you and bring you into the criminal justice system. Even when my family came to the station and bring passport and birth certificate to show I was not yet sixteen they would not accept the evidence, because they believed I was some big man and needed me to be put down by any means necessary.
Me and my younger brother had some bogus manslaughter charge put on us and we just came from a St Georges dance rubbing down some sweet sistern and beast boy just come. A whole heap of them with some white woman who then pointed at my brother and said that is him. All sh*t broke out because you have to kill me first before anyone puts their hands on my younger brother.
So I know the amount of times I could have gone down for nothing, nevermind the times I was doing sh*t and especially in my security context of operations or excercises. Hence why I am a strong believer in god and my own destiny and his plans for me. Because other brothers I know have done nothing and had their lives mash up and end up in jail house and lose their jobs etc.
I have done enough to warrant serious sentence, but how I check it I am one of god's solidiers if not he would have given me and my close crew to the enemy long long time. S/he has not and as Maya Angelou said and we continue to rise.
As mummy say son. Everything is for a purpose.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 14:03 |
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Now, as to this talk that whites are simply in love with Black women in the workplace, and we don't understand what is done to Black men, that is asinine. Of course we understand, that's why so many of us have spent so many years alibying, excusing and coddling the men in our families(while letting our daughters fend for themselves, making them much more independent and self sufficient in the process), which is the core point of the Blame Black women brigade. So which one is it? Are Black women ruining Black men by being overly protective, and coddling black boys and men,(because they intrinsically know that their sons/bros/boyfriends are under attack by Mr. Charlie), or not? You can't have it both ways. It's Black women's fault for coddling Black men, letting the sorry ones not keep a job, and just lay up on them, or but it's our fault, because are we cold, b**ches throwing Black men to the the big bad white wolf and we don't have a clue about what Mr. Charlie has been doing to the brotherman all these years? Give me a break.
BTW, I've been in plenty of workplaces where the Black men are BELOVED, by both white women and white men. Why? Well, I don't have to explain why they are loved by white women, so I'll spare ya'll. Increasingly however, they are also loved by white men, especially the under 40 set. Why?Because white men know that as long as that Black man is allowed to grin and skin in white women's faces and bask in their fake (oooo you big strong mandingo stud) attention, HE WON'T BE CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS,lol. It is Black women, in recent years, who have developed a rep in white people's eyes for being confrontational, angry, b**chy, less easy to maneuver...you know, all that same sh*t, some Black men like to say about us,lol. This is afterall the era of Omarosa, New York from Flavor of love,lol. We are living in the era of the angry/b**chy Black woman.
At any rate, the point of the women here has not been to DENY racism and it's effects. We experience it TOO, maybe in different ways, but we do. WHITE FOLKS DON'T LIKE OUR BLACK ASSES, AS GENERAL RULE. Can we all say that really loud one time and get it out of our systems? They don't like Black men and they don't like Black women. White people arent' stupid, they,(unlike us), understand that we are the same(even if our dumb asses don't)no matter how much beef there is between Black men and women, we are all still N****rS. When white men and women were beefing back in the day, Black people, men and women, were stupid enough to take that sh*t seriously and think they had a friend in one or the other. Not. Family fight, as Malcolm said. They resolved that sh*t, and made it work out positively for whites as a collective(giving the lionshare of Affirmtative action to white women). We've established that Mr. Charlie no likey us, and as a result will try to sabotage us.They've got tricks for days, same as it ever was. Now what? The point is A. whether they like us or not, we have to find ways to do what we need to do, there are no more forces working against us now than our ancestors had arrayed against them, in fact we are in the best position we've been in, in about 500 years, I'd say. We have to press on. B. while there is and always will be systematic, structrual racism/barrier/obstacles PLENTY of us are sabotaging ourselves and not taking control of/responsibility for the sh*t that crackers have NOTHING to do with. As I said before, if we just took care of the sh*t that we CAN take care of, it would make the dirt that they try to do to us much less effective.
and another thing, there are plenty of tom/coon N****rs of BOTH genders who act new towards other Black folks in the work place. I've seen Black women do it and I've seen Black men do it.Black women don't speak to Black women somtimes in the work place, I've had Black men not speak to the Black women in the company,yet grin in Amber's face, like there's no tommorow. what are u gonna do, have a hissy fit about it?.... Scared to let white folks see them be to friendly with another Black person or just a straight up self hating Tom, etc,whose to say? so stop acting like it's unique to Black women towards Black men. BTW, I've been in environments where white folks DO act uncomfortable when they see the few Blacks there getting along and being cohesive....hmmmmmmm Let that be a lesson to you all. Like i said before, THEY know what the deal is, even if we're to dimwitted to figure it out.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 14:43 |
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BT. Man if I had time and as it is got work to do but the events of the last days or so has delayed me slightly. But quickly, what you said about the experience of professional black men in specialised feilds is an under statement.
The head of one of our teams in our men's organisation/fraternity is a West African brother. The nearest thing to a genius I have ever met. Never met a brother like that before. He lives and dies for his work and is unhealthily obsessed by it, to the degree he is the only team head I have any problems with eg basic things reporting back protocols and have to get off my arse to physically hunt him down. He is obssessive. He lives and breathes technology and technolgocial and scientific problems and is probably one of our greatest assets in terms of our Caribbean work.
He has worked for big arse companies paying serious money and when you hear how he is treated it is disgusting. When there is crisis in very difficult areas who do they run for. When he asks to be deployed to particular divisions where the real cream work is they always promise and it never happens, unless there is crisis and he is the man.
He decided to do his own thing and set up his own team and companies.Bro if it wasn't for us and the fact he is a key player in our machine and has financial back up and other resources they would have never made it. Ordinary brothers no matter how talented do not have our machinary or abilty to make calls and transfer large sums of money to back a brother in a tight spot or simply give to him to put down on the table to negotiate from a strong position. If I tell you the amount of money he and another key brother have spent in travelling around Europe looking to crack particular things. No joking matter.
But the irony is this, my man gets dogged by our women eg wifey and the wifes of other key brothers. Why because in order to be successful in such a competitive feild you have to be a certain way and have absolute focus, especially when you are a team leader because your decisions decide whether black men eat or not and how. He is also opening the way for many of our younger brothers, who we can direct into particular areas.
While I am a bit different than homeboy, but only slightly in terms I can break off from work and socialise or womanise, but we are in different games or areas, but equally you have to put women on a side to solve serious and difficult problems be they career or not. I have had two sisters back in the day ask me straight whether I was gay.EVen when this is explained to women like my wife etc they still wont have it, because they lack basic understanding or similar experiences even when they are professional women. Hear the response...I hear ya Fred but he should still get a woman.
In fact despite my man's obbsessive personality and drive to succeed at all costs, he still gets dissed big time by women. Not realsing that most of us were already more or less established when we met our wives or long term partners. Bro the amount of women I have got through and not in any negative ways to get to where I am going and you get grief all the way. Eg you are not giving them time ,or you want too much time or you only think about your work and your boys and team or you care more about this than them. All kinds of sh*t and dramas.
Hence my view we can debate here all we like, but in certain things black men just have to do what they have to do or say what they have to say, whether women like it or not. The issue is simple put up or do better or come better at least in arguments.
The gulf in understanding is massive.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 15:02 |
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| 3 other angry Black women i wanted to add to my list, Star JOnes, my girl Ayanna, from M-Tvs road rules who attacked a white boy after she overheard him call the Black guy on the show, a N****r, while the Black dude who she was defending made excuses for the white dude(he's not from America, he was drunk, he didn't know better blah blah blah) and basically hung her out to dry(she remained defiant anywhoo), and my personal hero, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney(hit the U.S. Capitol policeman cuz he didn't recognize that she was a Congress member and asked her to show a badge, and got caught on tape with her staff calling a bunch of white reporters, Cracker, after she lost a Congressional race.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 15:07 |
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I been scrolling thru the 13 pages of heated discussion insults and sensible debates but have we really answered the question of what Black_Power was asking??
Not really!!
To answer the question,not all! but some black women do crave whitemen, becuse of the power they have simple as its not because they are better lookin or advance in anyway they just have that slightly more control of the world than an average blackman,
Thats what women love POWER,
We really need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and open up our eyes that time is running out, we aint got long left.
Lets Gain our power and unite together,
There is nothing better than a blackman but blackmen need to know we aint no pushover either.
Peace!
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 15:18 |
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Thank you for answering the question and welcome to the board.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 16:06 |
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FredB - man you hit on another one of my observations, gay men. The biggest players out there are gay men and why?....because they don't have any woman drama in their lives. The system is run by white sodomites who's biggest fear as 'men' is the African heterosexual male. They'll use any strategy to keep us in our place....including our women.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 16:20 |
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Miss Saint Thomas - if we were after yes or no answers there'd probably be no need for discussion forums. Some like to delve more into the psychology behind a particular mindset which can be a rewarding trip of discovery considering we are all supposed to be individuals with our own thought patterns and processes.
Depending on different perspectives based on different life experiences and influences my yes could well be your no which is why getting to the fundamentals of any logic of reasoning is key to moving forward collectively....presuming moving collectively is indeed what you're about.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 17:32 |
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OK time to put all this dating prefference confusion into perspective:
*I will be assuming capitalist motives to be the main driving force in womens' dating motivations (i will be using the word "most" allot because nothing is 100%)
MOST WOMEN DATE UP:
That means that wether they are rich or poor they go for a man they believe to be above them financial and or socioeconomicaly. WHY? Because they have more power due to their limited supply in relation to the surplus of males available to them. So any man who, by what ever means, can show a higher earning potential than the female will have the better chance at the p***y. The better looking the female is, the higher she can aim.
MOST MEN DATE DOWN:
That means they go for a women they believe to be below them financial and or socioeconomicaly. WHY? Because they have less power due to their surplus supply in relation to the limited supply of females available to them. So any woman who, has a lower earning potential than the male will be seen as a viable p***y prospect. the lower the man goes the better his chances.
WESTERN RACIAL CULTURE PUTS THE BLACK MALE AT A DISADVANTAGE:
On average black males have a much lower earning potential in relation to white males, hence black males are automatically less attractive to most females of any race who "date up".
Now for a quick rundown of the common dating stereo types bassed on womens' choosing tendancies:
IN CONCLUSION:
As is usualy the case in most areas of western culture, in the dating game if you are a black male you most step-up more or work harder to gain more financial wealth to compensate for the perceived negativity and lack of earning potential associated with your "blackness".
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 17:38 |
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Beloved.. listen who can argue with the fact that Black men have been going home to their women from day one.. venting their frustration at how they are treated in their 9-5. And that black women have some experinece of the same.
Problem is though,, from my personal experinece whether it is working in Pizza Hut/ or working in some "high powered office environement" the black man provides a threat and possibly skews white male world views by counteracting all their pre-held stereotypes about Black men.
From the time I left school in this country in the heights of what was the UK reccession in the late 80s early 90s/ the women I socialised with and dated have always had no problem finding work. Im talking about the type of work that a desperate youth who wants to earn a buck needs...semi nskilled.. or university grad,..just to maybe pay his rent and save for a little car.. and step up ina life. Indeed in my studying days I went to the same interview with my then girlfriend.. and I was more experinced in the market research over telephones two bit job....and showed her the runnings of what to say and the keywords to mention..and Sis got the job.. man we could only laugh...
But the crux of my problem comes when Black women who supposedly know all these things..who work in places where there is minimal black male representation/ come with the bullsh*t that we are lazy and should just work harder/ cant apply ourselves/ dont love sacrifice blah blah when the same brother who is in a position to maybe expand and blow up big time does not have the resources/ neither the willingness from the bank to fund the cash flow. Infact I refuse to go to banks to give bank manager's my good ideas so they can turn me down and give their mate an inside lick on how to corner a market. Nope aint giving no-one free money.
So unless you are blessed to have brothers who can back the talk with hard cash for most brothers it is a struggle. It was a struggle for them to get in the position in the first place given the nature of the working environment. If a black man is loved in a company its because he is making the boss money big time..and not because he craves white p***y.. which is neither here or there. One thing white people respect is the ability of an employee to make THEM money. You will very very rarely find an incompetant black man well loved and respected within a company like you can find your archetypal white boy who does f**k all/ knows f**k all/ comes in late most days/ and still gets a bly because he's a bit off a lad... Wait little more if the same black man leaves the company and starts his own thing within the same field. Most industries are very small worlds where you see the same people in various companies playing a game of musical chairs. You think mister whitey is ready to give £200,000 contract to his former black employee who he f**ked about in the first place/ rather than his mate.
Alot of companies within even my engineering field do not want a black man reprsenting their company with certain clients.. even if he is the more technically competent person to deal with all the queries and knows the history of the project. This I have observed and heard verbatim from a directors mouth.So this in itself makes it ahredr for black man to get independent work as most businesss start with a client base or some previous working realtionship with their main customer. So the links my white colleguae can make going about his daily business is limited to me because me and whitey dont flex at that deep level. So your hands are tied from the start.
Neither is it about moaning who acknowledges who. Rather its is a manifestation of the undercurrent of those who think like this. Sorry sis but the vaerrage black man will acknowledge hjis sister or brother far more readily in a white environment. Thats is not backed by any studies neither do I ahve statitistics that is just my reality and the reality I hear over the years from various people.
My cousin recently got a big bly where the white man he worked for gave him the chance to bid and win a major transportation contract..the kind of contract that the first client you get is a reference in itself. My cous says.. "boy.. imagine a white man give me the chance to get big.. he knows he was just lucky and true he deal with people with a clean heart the guy approached him on a serious level. One of those rare white men who observe justice and can see potential. But do your here my blood talking about how the rest of man them who are struggling driving truck..are lazy. and need to apply themselves to work harder. No he gets them work.. and curses them when they are sh*t.
Sis you know as well as me that even for white men to get succesful business involves alot of luck.. a bly from someone in the position to get a major slice of the action.. or they rob the work from a former employee true they were tight with him. Hard work and application does not even garauentee white man success/ its all about who you know/ can do what for you/ and are you in a position to take advantage of sais situation.
Black men do not have that option in the main to invest that trust and hope in natural justice.So who the f**k is lazy and needs to apply themselves more. They can go to hell. Same sh*t played out on the media all day.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 17:48 |
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Incognito wrote: Miss Saint Thomas - if we were after yes or no answers there'd probably be no need for discussion forums. Some like to delve more into the psychology behind a particular mindset which can be a rewarding trip of discovery considering we are all supposed to be individuals with our own thought patterns and processes.
Depending on different perspectives based on different life experiences and influences my yes could well be your no which is why getting to the fundamentals of any logic of reasoning is key to moving forward collectively....presuming moving collectively is indeed what you're about.
I appreciate what you are saying but im not here to psycho-analyse anyone, just trying to answer the question in hand.
At the end of the day this is a discussion and debate forum not a battlfield.
If i wanted to delve deep into someones mindset i would be a pschotherapist.
Im not here to have non-sensical contrived drivel with anyone just an adult discussion. ok!
Lets move on
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 18:03 |
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Fred
Bro the "use the black man to firefight and f**k him off when things are sweet with a bag of false promise" is such a common story that I copuld find a dozen brothers right now to type a similar story. You see its not even that black women can get work easier which isnt a problem.. (in fact its a bonus.. because who wants a women in this day and age who cant earn a 15K minimum to go through in life with) which is what many people think is the gripe. If she earns more than me and is a company director.. all good.. but dont tell me that Im not applying myself because Ill tell you to f**k off.
As you said the gulf in understanding is massive.. I remember my cousin's wife coming to me one time and asking "how come he cant find no work" in reccesion era.. all I could say is "time is hard sis most man cant get a paperound much less anything else".. in fact I would make the bold statement and say if a black women is hardworking and prepared to drop her normal standards of work to pay the mortgage/ etc.. which anyone can encounter in life.. then the term recession dont apply to them. Because they will always get work. tesco or wherever. Bro I come from a place where man would do anything workwise to pay bills and get on. Im not ashamed to say I have cleaned kitchen floors on 12 hr shift/ couriered/ sold teddy's in shopping centre../factory assembly work// all before to serve an end. While studying for a bigger picture.. as I couldnt rest in my yard as a youth without no money/ not studying/ and not get grief. Neither did I have the option to stay at home as my peeps were off as soon as they could.
Me personally dont give a toss how easy a women can get on in the workplace as Im not in competition with women.. but the lazy and lack of application bollocks expressed to men who already have made a career for themselves is rather grating to say the least. Dats why it have to get bun.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 18:05 |
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Bredder Tukoma wrote: Gmahogony
Beloved.. listen who can argue with the fact that Black men have been going home to their women from day one.. venting their frustration at how they are treated in their 9-5. And that black women have some experinece of the same.
Problem is though,, from my personal experin | | | |
