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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:13 |
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Abs dear, I have never seen this as all men v all women, have never backed a post in that context so have no need to defend my backing of a post in that context.
If you got any balls dear, copy and paste my own contributions and tell me to defend that!
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:13 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: Black_Power wrote:
now now you know better than to try come at me like that youngsta......I aint a sly cat.
either fourum aint gonna make no real big differnce
lol @ "youngsta" dude i do believe we are around the same age!
And you are right, the nature of the responses may not have been that much different. But if you look at the title of the thread itself you seem to be asking for a womans opinion/perspective. Yet it was placed in the mens forum. thats all i'm saying. Plus you may have got a response from more women.
Interesting,MB. It didn't ever occur to me that BP was posing the question to Black women, in the first place. I assumed(maybe incorrectly, but I doubt it), that he was posing it to Black men. In my experience, many times when someone poses a question, but a statement,presented as a question. They've already made up their mind and believe they know the answer. They're asking you if something is true for the purpose of telling you why it IS true,lol.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:23 |
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..deal with you? with what I ask, you're independant surely you deal with yourself.
As I say, copy and paste my content but I know you can't because within it lies the context of my argument and fundamentals speak for themselves...they don't need defending. But I know we could go on all day at the Eastenders level couldn't we. I call it light entertainment..the goalposts holding my principles haven't shifted an inch.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:26 |
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| Forum: heres an interesting observation, some muppet came onto this thread and made what i thought was an outragous claim about Africans benefiting from the procreation with Europeans...and instead of putting the spotlight on that stupid claim... instead we were feasted to the sight of everyone having a pop at each other..wow... I guest this is how Africans became enslaved eh?
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:31 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Forum: heres an interesting observation, some muppet came onto this thread and made what i thought was an outragous claim about Africans benefiting from the procreation with Europeans...and instead of putting the spotlight on that stupid claim... instead we were feasted to the sight of everyone having a pop at each other..wow... I guest this is how Africans became enslaved eh?
Good point...
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:32 |
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@Incognito I asked you to deal, if you can't be a man and deal. All you have to do is go back to page 6 and above right after my posts and Freds rants and analyse how you came to be tangled in this whole mess. Too late trying to look dumb now dear.
@K i like sooofresh "believe" that check check person is in fact one of the regulars, even if it's not it's what most of the men wanted to hear that African women think hence he/she got no challenge.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:32 |
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| ..still waitin on ma keyboard Last edited on Wednesday December 27th, 2006 20:00 by Black_Power
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:39 |
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| Abbi...I see your point however my point is this, it doesn't matter whether its a proxy or not....the key issue was that the point went unchallenged, and what made it worse was that it appeared that everyone then proved that disgusting point by demostrating just how 'right' he/she was..... amazing!!!! Last edited on Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:44 by Kunjufu
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:40 |
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Innocent until proven guilty mup. I haven't a clue what you are accusing me of...you've put words into your own mouth again. You tell me what I've entangled myself in and I'll show you were you've entangled yourself. Remember smart without being clever.
I've been in debates with serious adversaries and for all our differences there was always a mutual repect for the fundamental level at which the argument was taking place...a depth you'd never have the lungs for to hold your breath long enough to reach much more debate once you got there. That mutual respect does not exist here.
Copy and paste it love. Then tell me where I've incriminated myself and I'll copy and paste the bits you left out which didn't suit your agenda.
Do or die love, do or die.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:44 |
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Kunjufu - I'll have to reread, I'm sure that got dealt with by at least two posters....when people don't come back to defend themselves it proves the point by default.
But the biggest joke in all of this is a' fancy me she fancy me yu nuh!
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:48 |
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Kunjufu - I'll have to reread, I'm sure that got dealt with by at least two posters....when people don't come back to defend themselves it proves the point by default.
But the biggest joke in all of this is a' fancy me she fancy me yu nuh!
Really how? because maybe i blinked and missed it!!!!
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 19:50 |
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 20:13 |
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Interesting,MB. It didn't ever occur to me that BP was posing the question to Black women, in the first place. I assumed(maybe incorrectly, but I doubt it), that he was posing it to Black men. In my experience, many times when someone poses a question, but a statement,presented as a question. They've already made up their mind and believe they know the answer. They're asking you if something is true for the purpose of telling you why it IS true,lol.
This is what i was getting at when i wrote the following :
"If I wanted a male perspective on a topic, i wouldn't place it in the womens forum, unless I did not value mens own opinion on a subject pertaining to them."
My point (although not fully put) was that perhaps BP (again making an assumption, he may feel free to correct me) had already made up his mind about the opinion of Black women on the subject, therefore was not interested in hearing from them. Rather he was looking for men to back up what he already thought to be true. Any women entering this thread was therefore bound to be on the defensive. Since the thread, it may be argued, was set up as a kind of "attack" on a particular type of woman, it is not difficult to see how it desended to such a level. Everyone is defending and attacking as opposed to debating.
Now if it had been placed in the womens forum, there may have been a different spin, altough due to human nature there would still have been the attack/defend cycle.
Perhaps instead of the thread title phrased as a question, it should have been something long the lines of "this is my opinion. Who agrees?"
However i am aware that this may not be BP's opinion, hence why i asked him in one of my first posts what he was basing it on. He admitted he knew no women personally who fit the type he was speaking of.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 20:30 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: Gmahogany. wrote:
Interesting,MB. It didn't ever occur to me that BP was posing the question to Black women, in the first place. I assumed(maybe incorrectly, but I doubt it), that he was posing it to Black men. In my experience, many times when someone poses a question, but a statement,presented as a question. They've already made up their mind and believe they know the answer. They're asking you if something is true for the purpose of telling you why it IS true,lol.
This is what i was getting at when i wrote the following :
"If I wanted a male perspective on a topic, i wouldn't place it in the womens forum, unless I did not value mens own opinion on a subject pertaining to them."
My point (although not fully put) was that perhaps BP (again making an assumption, he may feel free to correct me) had already made up his mind about the opinion of Black women on the subject, therefore was not interested in hearing from them. Rather he was looking for men to back up what he already thought to be true. Any women entering this thread was therefore bound to be on the defensive. Since the thread, it may be argued, was set up as a kind of "attack" on a particular type of woman, it is not difficult to see how it desended to such a level. Everyone is defending and attacking as opposed to debating.
Now if it had been placed in the womens forum, there may have been a different spin, altough due to human nature there would still have been the attack/defend cycle.
Perhaps instead of the thread title phrased as a question, it should have been something long the lines of "this is my opinion. Who agrees?"
However i am aware that this may not be BP's opinion, hence why i asked him in one of my first posts what he was basing it on. He admitted he knew no women personally who fit the type he was speaking of.
Ok, I got you. You were just so tactful and smooth in how you did it, I missed it,lol.
You're absolutely right though, my gut tells me that he was just setting up the pitch so the other brothers could knock it out of the park, and many of them lined up on cue, to do JUST that. It's funny because it totally contradicts what most of us know to be true, demonstrated by the smug, sureness that some of the bros on here feel they can safely say that Black men don't have to worry about Black women going to white men in masse. They KNOW we don't think white men are better, in any comprehensive way, yet even with all of our blind loyalty, we still have to listen to all manner of accusations and bullsh*t, and drivel about how we're not loyal enough, or don't stroke their egos as much as Amber and Meagan do in the workplace or in the grocery store,lol. No good deed goes unpunished as they say....
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 20:44 |
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Gmahogany. wrote:
It's funny because it totally contradicts what most of us know to be true, ... Black men don't have to worry about Black women going to white men in masse. They KNOW we don't think white men are better, in any comprehensive way, yet even with all of our blind loyalty, we still have to listen to all manner of accusations and bullsh*t, and drivel about how we're not loyal enough, or don't stroke their egos
The above as highlighted is why i don;t really understand the insecurity. I understand it in terms of the "Black man trying to make it in a White mans world" perspective. I don;t understand it on the attacking Black women for something they havn't done front. This is an extreme analogy but it reminds me of a man having a bad time with his boss. Since he has no real power at work he comes home to take it out on his wife. The wife may also be accused of cheating even when the man KNOWS she never would.
Seems no matter what Black women do, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. There will be no resolution or conclusion to this thread, just attack/defend until someone has the sense to walk away. So what is the point in the continuing of this thread? It went past the realms of a sensible debate a long time ago.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 20:59 |
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At the last minute Black Power has managed to create the most controversial, heated thread of 2006.
I'm jealous dammit!
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 21:05 |
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| There's still time, DSP, there's still time...!!!
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 21:11 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: There's still time, DSP, there's still time...!!!
True, I could post the pics and video of you and I.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 21:14 |
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| Yes, you COULD post that, but where would be the controversy and heated debate in that? However, the sight of your naked ass and "performance" may indeed provide some much needed comic relief.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 21:38 |
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Kunjufu
some reading glasses maybe, actually our *finest* resident has already bought up check check post and agrees with his analysis that women look for winners regardless of black or white
sooooo why not challenge the * finest*
lol
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honurable thing to do, i have observed how your excellent debate got deviated and converted into petty insult, i always question those who feel the need, when unable to analyse an argument to go off-tangent and bring XYZ , anyway bless, lets move on....................
Abs
serioulsy , you have to trying skining, i went to austria , not happy with the roasted pig they served though, austrians are sooo friendly.
but to answer your question, YES, i have a good memory, and i tell you 80% of fathers here are NOT married, they same that berate single mothers are actually baby fadas themselves...........lol
its like crook berating another crook for commiting a different crime.............lol
anyway as much as i would LOVE to show my superb analytical skills, i can't..............harrods sale shall start tommorow, got my eyes on the Armani sequened shoes in navy blue, ofcourse to go with my stella mcartny dress and ertrokitros puff ball jacket....................
mydays! afterwards i am going to a croation ambasseder party...........*don't ask!*
sis i am gonna enjoy my holidays, i mean i have serious exams............talking about exams, have you noticed BigL always goes on about his *yawn-soon-to-be-extinct* engineering course, YET we are not to mention our creds............nah....................my pharmacy course is the creme de la creme........lol
*yawn*..............anyway, good defence system you have got their, and here is me thinking IT geeks don't have the fire in them.
Bless and peace out sis.
Ciao!
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 21:44 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: Yes, you COULD post that, but where would be the controversy and heated debate in that? However, the sight of your naked ass and "performance" may indeed provide some much needed comic relief.
LOL!! You'd be disappointed.
You love writing checks you know you can't cash... 
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 21:53 |
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| well, at least SOMETHING'S bouncing...
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 22:18 |
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MMD Again enjoyed reading your post:
FredB, the above brings to mind something that I've observed: too many of our people have been, for lack of a better word, 'scared' into approaching their day-to-day lives with an individualist mentality, in terms of race. Do they want to tear down the system because it harms them, personally, or because it harms their people, collectively? When I say scared, I mean: only African/Black people have truly bought the 'melting pot' agenda and it shows in our actions. That nonsense that "Shemsi en Tehuti" highlighted about the "Black mens magazine" pictorial for woman of the year supports this stance. A people with a smidgen of racial pride would never extol the virtues of any race above their own, even if they believe there is some merit to those beliefs. But N****rs(and I intentionally use that term, because it fits) have truly lost their minds and sense of self.
Africentricity has been pushed to the margins so much in our community by our enemies, outside and within; that many African/Black people actually believe preservation of our race is racism on our part and/or an alien concept in the first place.
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Theoretical explanation this is what happens when the external forces are stronger than the internal cultural forces within any organisation eg the family and its borders are penetrated and in many cases simply over-run..
Listen I have written elsewhere professioally that only black people have bought the myth of multiculturalism, especially in familal and dating affairs, if you seriously analyse the stats. Nobody else, even white people if you examine the figures who statiscally hardly marry outside their groups-the figure is more or less static. Don't talk about Southern Asians who will take on all British sh*t, wrap themselves in the flag and speak about Britain as our country, 'we British' more than any black person, but make it quite damn clear when it comes to marriage what the bottom line is. Asians don't want their dollars going to white folks and their organisational and kinship structures f**ked up by marrying whites or outsiders.
I have had serious arguments with some fathers, in particular especially when they are living with their families, but these tend to be non assertive kind of guys anyway about some of the sh*t they simply accept. Nevermind some sisters I know who are the flag bearers of the chat, not necessarily the action eg going white. Then you have men who have white women and their kids are being raised seperately with a black woman. So the attack is from all quarters.
But the thing is this, we have lost basic understanding of power. Because my dad or father in law don't give a f**k about what is popular or not, or what teacher says or not on certain basics. They make it clear don't bring one of those white woman or man in my house and don't blink about it. They understood and had the power to make sh*t clear and do not apologies what goes on in their homes. No man or woman could bring a white partner in our home my father would not have it in front of his kids. Like me this is the rule in my home. Sister in laws think I am racist, as for my wife who they view in similar ways. But do you think they would have the neck to have that conversation with their father, my father in law.
He wouldn't even talk. Just look on them like idiots. As I told some brother and father who said 'well Fred what can you do'. I told him be a man in your home it is not complicated really. What you daughter can bring anybody to your home be they black...Nevermind white?..
In some respects you could say that some(far too many) African/Black fathers have let their race down, because, unlike your father, they haven't instilled the virtues of sustaining broader African/Black culture in the racial sense. When you get these fools whom attain a certain amount of material wealth, and the first thing that they do is marry outside of the race; it reflects poorly upon their upbringing and the mentality/mentalities of their parent(s).
Damn straight. Now I make some exceptions for older men of a different generation. Many of those came here to study eg our Professor Stuart Hall in places where there were no black women and knowing brothers like that i know they love and respect their black women. You can feel when some men just have no love for our women in their spirit. Same way you know when you are working with a sister and you and her connect just because you are the same, and those brainwashed black/white girl where there is nothing. She could hail from Jupiter if all you know because there is nish in commanality.
But most of those guys I wouldn't piss on for real. Because it is nothing but racial inferiority when you see what they pick up. Clearly a delluded reality, because from once I make that transiton of can't standing girls (except my cousins and such) to liking them nobody but a fool can tell me the average white woman can even sniff the arse of the average sister. Any part of the black world and I believe that as a youth. So these are sick brother for the most part. Self hate driven to self elimination.
While some children will defy their parents will, in my observations, individuals that have certain principles and expectations hammered home, be they from their mother, father or both, usually strive to live up to those standards(consciously or subconsciously), if articulated clearly by their parent(s). Instead, you have imbeciles coining phrases like "it's all pink on the inside." No sh*t? So are some farm animals, I assume, but I see few advocating screwing them, let alone marrying them. The problem is too many of our people have adopted this Western "hands off" approach to raising their children, and we're seeing the corrosive |
