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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 11:23 |
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25 years ago this thing was found primarily in gay white men...now its primarily in the black community particularly in black women.
Is it just me or does this NOT make any frigging sense whatsoever?
How come NO ONE is questioning why or how?
How does a disease jump from one demographic to another (SKIPPING OVER white women mind you)?
If a disease that was primarily found in gay black men suddenly started infecting hetero white women in huge numbers there would be congressional hearings, exposes' and funded scientific investigations into finding out:
HOW this happened...
WHO is responsible...
and HOW can you send it BACK (not stem it or eradicate it but put it BACK into its original population).
Yet so far it seems to me that all we get is stats and numbers that don't add up and its accepted.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 11:37 |
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Back in the 70’s some U.S president said that they wanted 3 billion off the planet. Because people in the third world out number the ones in the first world. Some say HIV in a manufactured germ engineered in a U.S lab. They spread it all over Africa via the pre-text of helping to eradicate small pox in Africa??
You known which newspaper that ran the story, it was an Indian paper!!
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 12:27 |
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@ Black_Power
I must commend you for asking a question which I have often wondered, "Has this even crossed the mind of most black people to ask?"
The many debates/discussions I have got into on the "Aids phenomenon" have, more often than not, left me bemused and bewildered (and somewhat frustrated). As a consequence I now tend to avoid them because of finding myself having to deal with a 'conditioned perspective' (i.e. black peoples) rather than a serious desire to get to the truth (and the bottom) of this whole 'Aids in Africa' thing.
There is a lot about Aids which "does not add up", but how far or deep one is prepared to look into the "why doesn't it add up" is another matter.
I shall delay contributing, and watch this thread's development with interest to see if my cynicism (borne out of many a frustrated discussion) proves itself to be well founded once again.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 13:58 |
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BT, Originally american media reported AIDS as being more likely to affect the 4 Hs..
homsexuals, hemophiliacs, haitians, and I forget what the last h was...
Many people at the time didn't beleive that aids was real....and didn't feel they belonged to any of the at-risk groups...so they continued dangerous sexual habits(that, even if aids didn't exist, exposed them to STDs)
instead of protecting themselves....they felt safe because in their minds it didn't have anything to do with THEM......
The black clergy, initially buried their heads in sand over the issue....saying it was a curse from god......
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 14:08 |
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Black_Power wrote: 25 years ago this thing was found primarily in gay white men...now its primarily in the black community particularly in black women.
Is it just me or does this NOT make any frigging sense whatsoever?
How come NO ONE is questioning why or how?
How does a disease jump from one demographic to another (SKIPPING OVER white women mind you)?
If a disease that was primarily found in gay black men suddenly started infecting hetero white women in huge numbers there would be congressional hearings, exposes' and funded scientific investigations into finding out:
HOW this happened...
WHO is responsible...
and HOW can you send it BACK (not stem it or eradicate it but put it BACK into its original population).
Yet so far it seems to me that all we get is stats and numbers that don't add up and its accepted.
Judging by that then I can think of two things.
Lots more people have than they're letting on, i.e white people, especially the women. Considering that they seem to be the most sexually active group out there would suggest that they have got it in greater numbers than are reported.
Or perhaps the whole virus is exaggerated because in my whole lifetime I've only met one person with HIV. She was going out with this lad for 2 years and he somehow magically didn't contract it in that time....they are white by the way.
I would say this, if you wanted to spread something around the world effectively, you'd have to keep the main method of it being spread a secret, so it's probably the people who you'd typically think wouldn't have it, that have for the most part. "If" it exists in the way that it has been reported. Which I have my doubts about.
Personally I find it hard to believe that Europe and the America's isn't suffering with the virus as much as Africa is now.
As for as I can see it's the Europeans that shag anything that moves so they should be the ones with the "problem".
Not much about HIV and AIDS adds up at all.. I will say it's a virus that seems to help keep certain African nations distracted and in poverty. Typically when people are more concerned about their health they have little time to do or think about anything else.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 15:55 |
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| That is a good question, before only gay whites, dope fiends and a few haitians had it now its an epidemic for blacks all over the world over a pretty short period of time. To me it sounds like a conspiracy to wipe out a large number of blacks internationally.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 18:19 |
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This conspiracy is old - I'm surprised no-one is saying so.
I remember approximately nine years ago, emailing a supposed AIDS 'help' website asking very similar questions.
One of them was how if a monkey, (note the singular), was infected that AN ENTIRE CONTINENT is seemingly contaminated?
That was where they said AIDS stem from, (yep that was the preposterous theory back then - probably still is).
The final question I asked was, why then did HIV not occur much sooner considering the MILLIONS of years Africa has been in existence?
The emails were going back and fourth pretty quick each one getting smashed by me. Then I asked that last one.
They still have not replied.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 18:36 |
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People are right nt to trust what government tells you BUT..you have to do other things to educate yourself about what the true reality is....
Government mentioned marginalized, stigmatized groups at first..so no tmany people outside of those groups cared....how the virus seemed to be linked to specific groups like that...
by not caring.."oh it's only gays and Haitians"..... people set themselves up for what's happened over the past 20 years...... namely the spread of this killer.......
Another example of short term thinking by our so called leadership.
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This may assist you: (warning site is accompanied by music)
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... as might this: HIV/AIDS The Untold Story (warning - site is accompanied by music)
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Posted: Wednesday September 20th, 2006 03:24 |
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It seems like everything from AIDS to heart dieases affects blacks disportionately. Everything bad seems to affect us the most from mental to physical problems. I just read in the news paper that said black women get more yeast infections and vaginitis then white women. I was like god damn.
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Posted: Friday September 22nd, 2006 17:51 |
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Good post.
This question has always baffled me. I don't know when AIDS became an African problem. When I living in Ghana in the early 90's, AIDS was a Western disease. I remember hearing all these reports on CNN about the AIDS epidemic in America and how I would listen to the eldest express concern about Western diseases coming to the continent. I've never agreed with these theories of some African becoming infected with Aids by eating or sleeping with a monkey. If that were the case then how the hell did gay white men from half way across the world become it's first victims? I know full well that the problem already existed in the West before it became an African problem.
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Posted: Friday September 22nd, 2006 17:58 |
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man I baight that idea anyway...
can you imagine how hard (not to mention DANGEROUS) it would be to hold a monkey down then try to fukk it?? sound damm near impossible
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Posted: Friday September 22nd, 2006 18:08 |
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Good question.
It makes perfect sense when you consider Black culture (worldwide) over the past 25 years. We have jumped into the gutter and became a race of baby mamas. It does not matter whether you go to Jamaica, Panama, Nigeria, New York or New Orleans. Sexuality has always been a part of Afrikan culture. Unlike the unnatural crackers, we embrace the physical aspects of sex as a natural part of the spirit's journey on Earth. So even if you go back to old blues songs from the 1920's, you will find references to sex.
The difference is that it was understood that those topics were taboo, so they were hidden in metaphor. It required an ARTISTIC mind to create this type of music. Today we explain everything from oral sex to booty licking in our lyrics and are apparently very proud of the fact that many young sisters are little more than sperm deposit boxes for every Tom, Dick, and TraeShawn. These are all stereotypes and we have busied ourselves with living DOWN to them.
When you watch that self-hating prostitute Beyonce inviting men to "check up on it", and when you listen to all of the coon rap about strippers, you should put it in context with what is happening in our Afrikan world. If you juxtapose all of the stripping and whoring and indiscriminate sexual activity with the poverty, fatherlessness, and HIV rates of Black people, you will find that it's not so cute after all.
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Sexuality has always been a part of Afrikan culture.
I am going to refrain from commenting on the rest of your comments, because I am not thoroughly convinced you gave them much thought before hand, or that you actually believe what you said....sounds too incredulous to me.
However, that one snippet had me....let's say.....rather bemused. I was like "Sexuality has always been a part of Afrikan culture...hmmm
What, unlike in other cultures where it plays no part whatsover? 
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A lot of people have had their say about the issue of HIV/AIDS within African communities worldwide...yet no one IMHO has really, i mean REALLY looked at it from the stand point of HOW it became an African problem. I believe this is due to the fact that MAJORITY of the people who are actually making MORE noise about in the OPEN are not Africans themselves....so what we have is the patern(just as with everything else) where outsiders have more ideas or opinions about how it became an African problem.
Having had personal close experience of HIV, i trully belive the reason it has affected us more than any other race is pure and simple: IGNORANCE!
I can honestly say that from the moment i could understand what HIV was when i was litle to NOW...nothing has changed in regards to the attitude of Africans when it comes to facing up to the reality of HIV/AIDS.
When i was little i saw one person after another who were courageous enough to tell everyone being shunned and driven to early graves because of Africans' reluctance to DEAL with ANY issues that they may find CHALENGING.
Families would turn against each other, friends would shun their friends and so on. Because of the SUICIDAL colonial sex education muddled up with ignorant understanding of RELIGIONS, Africans went into frenzy of attacks against anyone who came up and declared that they were HIV+
And in 2006, we are reaping the consenquences of this IGNORANCE...we are reanacting the Bible stories of lepers and so on.....Because of our COLLECTIVE ignorance and over religious cultures, we have raised a whole generation after generation of people who are not mature and educated enough to face up to the realities of this epidemic.
In Africa and here, i have witnessed people who react to this culture of "keeping your lip shut" by living a lie and therefore going around passing this disease to others with MALICIOUS intentions of taking as many with them as posible.....and i have heard people in the West, Africans included, say that these people are just pure evil without realising that they are merely living a life of ignorance and denial which their communities encourages majority of times.
But my point is this, It does not matter what you think of them, at the end of the day, the community suffers beyond repair each time one of us is diagnosed, yet feels that he or she is an EVIL person anyways....so whats the point of trying to be good to a community that teaches you day in day out that sex is dirty, and if you catch anything, you are evil(even though we know that we are an over sexed bunch of idiots with no control once we see ass, vagina, penis etc (delete as appropriate)
Many might not identify with what i am saying here, but what i am writing is what i have seen back in Africa and experienced in more than 3 African countries which i lived in previously.
Both men and women are still living back in the early 20th century colonial education which really sucks the INTELLIGENCE and COMMON SENSE out of them. Add that missionary style RELIGIOUS nonesense and you have a whole bunch of millions who live in denial after denial about their life styles.
African men and women's conduct to sex is crossing that animalistic nature where no one CARES to really examine what they are doing. As a young woman, i am sure other sisters can back me on this, i have come across African men who would rather go cold turkey then wear a CONDOM.....and this is the case 9.9% of the time. African men HATES condoms like no other men on this earth....even if he is married with a family, he would rather put his family in danger than wear a condom if he is cheating. I have had MOST men say that kissing is more intimate than sex...... How they come up with that, i don't know.
African women in turn are just not there yet with CONFIDENCE and the ability to be ASSERTIVE to judge whom they decide to have unprotective sex with. Just a few weeks ago, my cousin's friend asked her boyfriend to go get tasted....he REFUSED....yet the stupid woman decided to let it go and continued to sleep with him unprotected! And this is NORMAL behaviour with MILLIONS of African women.....i don't know about the Caribbean and the US, but in Africa, its the f**kingg NORM for women to just "trust" him that he is clean!! **sighs**
My aunty is a midwife here in the UK and 99% of the PREGNANT African women who have to get tasted for HIV are ALWAYS mad nervous...most even confiding in her that they were NOT sure if they were healthy or not.....which she is always asking WHY?? Why get pregnant by a man that you are not even sure is healthy and faithful to YOU?? Lets just say she has never goten a clear answer. The closest she has come to an answer is that African women keep repeating that OUR men hates condoms and that they are mostly sure that he might be playing around. The opinions of C African women is VERY worrying and unless there is MASS education to combat this, the whole continent is going to get worse in regards to HIV/AIDS rates!
We need to TALK about this untill we are exausted from talking!! We need to stop shunning our people who are HIV+, find ways to provide cheap life saving medicines so the sufferers do not feel like they are alone and its them against the closed minded masses.
We need to REAVALUATE our approaches to sex education EQUALLY amongst our men and women.....but ESPECIALLY our YOUTHS.
We need to admit that poverty=unhealthy cultures where members of African communities the world over feels more disulusioned in many ways than is good for any society to progress.
Finally, we need to OPEN our eyes, be open minded about our friends and family members who come to us if they are diagnosed with HIV, make them feel that they are STILL valuable members of our societies who can still live a fullfiling life and SHOULD take responsibilities for everyone else when it comes to sex.
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Posted: Friday September 22nd, 2006 21:47 |
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case closed.
that's about as comprehensive an answer as you're gonna get.
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Posted: Friday September 22nd, 2006 22:33 |
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@Stick Up and TW...cheers bros
I wish i could say more....i don't know why but HIV/AIDS(amongst agriculture and education) has been worrying me more and more recently when it comes to Africa. My whole outlook has changed as i am educating myself more and more about it.
I have lost some distant relatives to this disease and i just want to shout my lungs out to our people to open their eyes and see that this is not the end of the tunel....we Africans can over come this....surely we have been through worse than this before. We cannot afford to be lazy about this....last time i encompanied a friend to the clininic, i was in tears(and i hardly cry..lol) when the nurse told us that 9 out of ten of C Africans/Afri-Caribbeans who are diagnosed are usually found to be HIV+ when they come in to hospital for ANOTHER illness.
I think there is only two reasons for, 1) is our own ignorance and complacency and 2) is straight out FEAR that our people have that if they were to be found to be HIV+, their lives would be over.....they will be shunned by their dearests and closests so they just carry on dispite having an ikling that something could be wrong.
In light of this, whites will NEVER understand why the rates is higher amongst Africans.....because they will never really look at it from the micro levels like WE can. All i know is that the West is bent on making billions out of their own people by claiming pure lies about FIGHTING AIDS in Africa...... As an African i know that this is all rubbish.....just like with everything else, only WE can do this because only WE can speak to our people in the language they understand!
@BP...i am still puzzled, you said that people with HIV should be shunned and taken care of, yet you go ahead and create this thread to try to UNDERSTAND about the situation.....perhaps its good that you did, because you have just proved my point here!
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Posted: Friday September 22nd, 2006 23:54 |
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@BP said'can you imagine how hard (not to mention DANGEROUS) it would be to hold a monkey down then try to fukk it?? sound damm near impossible
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Nope but trust me them white folk would try it.
@All two factors, the external which is about the orchastration of public opinion, then science and academia and media. Second factor has been brilliantly outlined by Mez.
Does open your eyes though when we consider how we romantically and ignorantly view sexual attitudes and conduct in Africa, because some of them boys put us in the Diaspora to shame. But I have heard from Southern African men about how a whole heap of them view condomns and ignorance is not the word.
Interestingly, the Aids rate in the Caribbean is relatively small. Probably because they run to America and die there. But still interesting because the amount of unprotected sex is high and can be seen by the baby mother business booming...
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Backatya wrote: HatHaruhotep wrote: Sexuality has always been a part of Afrikan culture.
I am going to refrain from commenting on the rest of your comments, because I am not thoroughly convinced you gave them much thought before hand, or that you actually believe what you said....sounds too incredulous to me.
However, that one snippet had me....let's say.....rather bemused. I was like "Sexuality has always been a part of Afrikan culture...hmmm
What, unlike in other cultures where it plays no part whatsover?
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Of course it plays a part in other cultures, but this role is not always celebrated. One example is the catholics who only believe you should have sex when trying to procreate. Sex in this context takes on a functional role and cannot be counted as an act centering on attraction and pleasure.
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Mezmerized wrote: A lot of people have had their say about the issue of HIV/AIDS within African communities worldwide...yet no one IMHO has really, i mean REALLY looked at it from the stand point of HOW it became an African problem. I believe this is due to the fact that MAJORITY of the people who are actually making MORE noise about in the OPEN are not Africans themselves....so what we have is the patern(just as with everything else) where outsiders have more ideas or opinions about how it became an African problem.
Having had personal close experience of HIV, i trully belive the reason it has affected us more than any other race is pure and simple: IGNORANCE!
I can honestly say that from the moment i could understand what HIV was when i was litle to NOW...nothing has changed in regards to the attitude of Africans when it comes to facing up to the reality of HIV/AIDS.
When i was little i saw one person after another who were courageous enough to tell everyone being shunned and driven to early graves because of Africans' reluctance to DEAL with ANY issues that they may find CHALENGING.
Families would turn against each other, friends would shun their friends and so on. Because of the SUICIDAL colonial sex education muddled up with ignorant understanding of RELIGIONS, Africans went into frenzy of attacks against anyone who came up and declared that they were HIV+
And in 2006, we are reaping the consenquences of this IGNORANCE...we are reanacting the Bible stories of lepers and so on.....Because of our COLLECTIVE ignorance and over religious cultures, we have raised a whole generation after generation of people who are not mature and educated enough to face up to the realities of this epidemic.
In Africa and here, i have witnessed people who react to this culture of "keeping your lip shut" by living a lie and therefore going around passing this disease to others with MALICIOUS intentions of taking as many with them as posible.....and i have heard people in the West, Africans included, say that these people are just pure evil without realising that they are merely living a life of ignorance and denial which their communities encourages majority of times.
But my point is this, It does not matter what you think of them, at the end of the day, the community suffers beyond repair each time one of us is diagnosed, yet feels that he or she is an EVIL person anyways....so whats the point of trying to be good to a community that teaches you day in day out that sex is dirty, and if you catch anything, you are evil(even though we know that we are an over sexed bunch of idiots with no control once we see ass, vagina, penis etc (delete as appropriate)
Many might not identify with what i am saying here, but what i am writing is what i have seen back in Africa and experienced in more than 3 African countries which i lived in previously.
Both men and women are still living back in the early 20th century colonial education which really sucks the INTELLIGENCE and COMMON SENSE out of them. Add that missionary style RELIGIOUS nonesense and you have a whole bunch of millions who live in denial after denial about their life styles.
African men and women's conduct to sex is crossing that animalistic nature where no one CARES to really examine what they are doing. As a young woman, i am sure other sisters can back me on this, i have come across African men who would rather go cold turkey then wear a CONDOM.....and this is the case 9.9% of the time. African men HATES condoms like no other men on this earth....even if he is married with a family, he would rather put his family in danger than wear a condom if he is cheating. I have had MOST men say that kissing is more intimate than sex...... How they come up with that, i don't know.
African women in turn are just not there yet with CONFIDENCE and the ability to be ASSERTIVE to judge whom they decide to have unprotective sex with. Just a few weeks ago, my cousin's friend asked her boyfriend to go get tasted....he REFUSED....yet the stupid woman decided to let it go and continued to sleep with him unprotected! And this is NORMAL behaviour with MILLIONS of African women.....i don't know about the Caribbean and the US, but in Africa, its the f**kingg NORM for women to just "trust" him that he is clean!! **sighs**
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