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Posted: Monday August 1st, 2005 19:41 |
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Timeline wrote:I agree.  I think it was Malcolm X who said that no land has been acquired through peace...only by force. Power has been acquired through war. Martin Luther King was respected more than Malcolm X because he appealled to the masses through his charasmatic approach adopted by eastern gurus. He wasn't a threat to whites for the most part because he yearned for their approval and their acceptance of him as a willing servant. He was the "model minority" because he was never a threat to the establishment...he was the model servant. Who you have sex with is relevant because people often equate sex with love and sex is such an intimate act and sex with white women would have been so risky for him during that time (Emmit Till)....something was driving him to take that risk and engage in such an intimate act on more than one occasion.
Indeed. U can listen to, or read anything that Malcolm ever said or wrote and KNOW, that his primary concern, interest, and love was for Black people. Even when he talked negatively about whites(calling them pale white devil,casting aspersions on their hygiene, physical traits, etc), it was a tool or a tactic to jar Negroes out of their ongoing,slavish love affair with whites by knocking them off the pedestal some of us had them on,(a point lost on the less perceptive among us and them, then and now). They actually thought he was ranting about whites because he was preoccupied with them and hated them, he did/was not. Even prior to his so-called conversion trip to Mecca(don't get me started), he was always very civil and respectful to whites on an individual level as he was to everyone...why? Because he wasn't trippin off of them, he just understood their psyche/agenda/goals and knew that he had to penetrate the Black pyche, in relationship to whites, to free us on a mental level and achieve our agenda/goals. In reality, he never hated white people OR loved them, he just saw them as an entity/obstacle that needed to be intelligently and forcefully dealt with. He did, however, LOVE Black people, which is why I will always love him.
Malcolm pierced through a lot of that: "what about the odds, we're outnumbered, b.s.". He said since when are ya'll worried about odds? When this white man sends u to Korea or the jungles of Vietnam to kill or be killed over something that has nothing to do with u, u don't worry about the odds. U pick up that gun and u go fight. So don't talk to me about non-violence, ur nothing but trained dogs. U WILL bite, u just bite who your master tells u to bite.
BTW,The Black Panther party and the Black power movement in general, were the DIRECT result, manifestation, and legacy of Malcolm's words/ideas, and I would submit that those groups and that movement had a very profound effect on the way that Black people lived, because they affected the way we saw ourselves.
The funny thing about King's wholesale acceptance of Ghandi's non-violence philosophy, was that Ghandi himself, didn't see it as the end-all and be all. There is a chapter in 'Parting the Waters" that deals with a trip that King made to India around the time of the Montgomery bus boycott. He went there to get closer to Gandhi's doctrine. He met with Prime Minister Nehru who totally rained on his parade and cautioned him that Gandhi had been a practical man, contrary to popular belief. He said that it is not certain that Gandhi would have felt that non-violence was the appropriate tactic for EAST INDIANS of the current time(some years after his own time), much less the appropriate tool for Black people in America. King was quite disenchanted by this to say the least.
Another point about why i suspect that for King and many of his associates/disciples, non-violence wasn't just about logistical or tactical concerns. I remember back in the late 80's at the height of the anti-apartheid movement, when Winnie Mandela was trying to hold things down, and Mr. Mandela was still in jail. Things were really at the boiling point. At some point, King's widow, Coretta Scott King publically implored Mrs. Mandela to renounce violent opposition to apartheid in favor of non-violent, passive resistance, she even offered to come to SA, to assist or consult. Sister Winnie told her in no uncertain terms that with all due respect, this is not America, we are NOT the minority here, this is OUR land/country. We don't have to handle things the way Black Americans did, thank u very much,lol. Even in a situation where Blacks are the OVERWHELMING majority, there's this attitude among some of us, that we need to tiptoe around/appease these mofos, regardless of how atrociously they treat us.
I apologize for the rambling nature of my post and I commend anyone who has the intestinal fortitude to get through it.........
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Posted: Wednesday August 3rd, 2005 17:53 |
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it seems as though this thread has summarized that it is a combination of both the attributes and decisions that a man makes along with that he experiences, that can make him great.
let me now then ask
does an oppressive environment (one where access to resources is restricted or denied) limit the emergence of great men (in particular africans in diaspora)?
in extension, are their proportionally more great european men than african men in social/economic fields such as politics, science, economics etc ( i think this question is rhetorical but it should provoke feedback)?
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Posted: Saturday August 6th, 2005 22:43 |
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Wow, this is a great thread. I came across this scrolling the forums and i have read what people have said to what make men great.
I agree with alot of you, different factors make men great. some men are confident and or knowlegable in different settings and situations. However for me for a man to even call himself one, he must have the neccesities for or of being a man.
All men must be able to accept and handle responsibility. All men must be able to defend himself verbally and physically. He must be able to admit to his faults and mistakes and take action upon them. He must be able respect his family and his partner, thse are the qualities i think a man has to have to call himself one, not simply cos his gender states he is.
Then there are 'icons'. These are men who stand for something great/positive/refreshing in the presence of his friends family and the wider diaspora and community. There are many documented 'icons' and heros from the past that a couple has mentioned. My personal hero who i looked up to when i was younger and still do although he was no self proclaim activist or leader is Muhammed Ali alias Cassius Clay.
What the guy stood for was so endearing and brilliant to me that i humbled even when i see him on tv. I grew up wanting to BE LIKE HIM for a while until i realised i am great myself without immitating. His confidence, obvious love and concern for is heritage, people and smartness was impressive to me.
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Posted: Sunday August 7th, 2005 03:23 |
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saywone1 wrote: Wow, this is a great thread. I came across this scrolling the forums and i have read what people have said to what make men great.
I agree with alot of you, different factors make men great. some men are confident and or knowlegable in different settings and situations. However for me for a man to even call himself one, he must have the neccesities for or of being a man.
All men must be able to accept and handle responsibility. All men must be able to defend himself verbally and physically. He must be able to admit to his faults and mistakes and take action upon them. He must be able respect his family and his partner, thse are the qualities i think a man has to have to call himself one, not simply cos his gender states he is.
Then there are 'icons'. These are men who stand for something great/positive/refreshing in the presence of his friends family and the wider diaspora and community. There are many documented 'icons' and heros from the past that a couple has mentioned. My personal hero who i looked up to when i was younger and still do although he was no self proclaim activist or leader is Muhammed Ali alias Cassius Clay.
What the guy stood for was so endearing and brilliant to me that i humbled even when i see him on tv. I grew up wanting to BE LIKE HIM for a while until i realised i am great myself without immitating. His confidence, obvious love and concern for is heritage, people and smartness was impressive to me.
I agree. These modern day athletes don't have a clue about what it means to have integrity and principle. Ali, lost milllions in earnings, and risked going to jail, taking the stance he did against the Vietnam war. They don't make em like that anymore.
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Posted: Friday August 19th, 2005 14:01 |
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Breadfruit wrote:
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it seems as though this thread has summarized that it is a combination of both the attributes and decisions that a man makes along with that he experiences, that can make him great.
let me now then ask
does an oppressive environment (one where access to resources is restricted or denied) limit the emergence of great men (in particular africans in diaspora)?
YES, WITHOUT A DOUBT !
in extension, are their proportionally more great european men than african men in social/economic fields such as politics, science, economics etc ( i think this question is rhetorical but it should provoke feedback)?
YES, WITHOUT A DOUBT !
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 15:41 |
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Errm...I dont necessarily agree with that one hundred percent. I think it depends WHAt it is you want to progress AT. There are certain factors that can drive someone to make it whatever environment they are in. For instance if the family is in dire straits concerning financial security, then that can be motivation to suceed through what ever obsticals that may stand in their path. That can mean giving up/sacrificing certain aspects of what they would normally or be required to do in 'normal' curcumstances.
I think depending on the person it evironment CAN hinder progress. Their are alot of dfferent distractions these days. It is harder to get away from disturbances to concentrate on your progression. Is it easy to get away? CAN YOU get away? Where you gonna go? What resources do you have? Do you have help/mentor? CAN you get one? DO you need one?
I think, like you said, if the environment played a big part of a person greatness and he was unable to progress because of it then he would still be great......to me! because he was not allowed/had no way of flourishing his greatness but he had greatness inside of him. If he had great thought and great ideas to portray and speak about and carried i think he would still be a great person, only difference is that one will ever know.
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 21:06 |
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i remember walter rodney said that if shaka zulu was born on a plantation during slavery
he would never have done the great things he did in africa
because the material conditions would not allow it
he may have become a great maroon leader but that would have been it
i asked the question about greatness and can oppressed people produce greatness at the same rate as their oppressors - in set areas such as economics, politics, science etc
because i feel there are obvious implications if the answer is no.................
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 21:23 |
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Shaka did have a lot of hardship growing up. He was a b**tard and an outcast. His mother had to live with other people who put her up out of kindness and they were chased away quite a lot.
He worked his way up in Dingiswayo's army from a minor soldier to a general and then chief on his own. Then Dingiswayo gave him his blessing to be the Zulu king when his dad died. Rival brothers and all that too.
Shaka had loads of hardship but thats what made him the king who was able to become an emporer and make Zulu so great from so small.
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 21:47 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: Shaka did have a lot of hardship growing up. He was a b**tard and an outcast. His mother had to live with other people who put her up out of kindness and they were chased away quite a lot.
He worked his way up in Dingiswayo's army from a minor soldier to a general and then chief on his own. Then Dingiswayo gave him his blessing to be the Zulu king when his dad died. Rival brothers and all that too.
Shaka had loads of hardship but thats what made him the king who was able to become an emporer and make Zulu so great from so small
Hey @DrunkMonkey, I'm pretty new to BN, but already I am hooked.
 Oral traditional history has it that Shaka murdered his brother on they day of his coronation to assume leadership of the then Zulu clan. His mother, Nandi's bitterness towards Shaka's father Senzangakona was transferred to him. He was a great leader and if all the stories are to be believed he overcame adversity. But like all great leaders he was ruthless. He had his first born son murdered by one of his generals because he did not want him to grow up bitter like he did. Its a fascinating tale best told by the old folk of KwaZulu Natal rather than the history books written by...,well you know what I am getting at.
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 22:48 |
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Man... you coulda got all that from the 86 mini series
Im only playing! I've never been to Natal yet myself but one day I might. Stick around you'll grow to like it here 
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 22:59 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: Man... you coulda got all that from the 86 mini series
Im only playing! I've never been to Natal yet myself but one day I might. Stick around you'll grow to like it here
lol.., that mini series had too many embelishments for my liking. I have it though!!! I'm a woman by the way. Yuo should go to Durban, its beautiful. So what do you think separates the men from the boys?
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 23:23 |
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Hmm
I've offered my thoughts on this thread before but haven't been able to properly answer Breadfruits last question.
does an oppressive environment (one where access to resources is restricted or denied) limit the emergence of great men (in particular africans in diaspora)?
We have become decieved into thinking that the struggle is over. Now we all supposedly have 'rights' and 'laws' we think it's all ok. When we were fighting for those laws it was easier for the community to rally round it's potential great men because the end game was clear. Now that we think there is nothing left to do the potential greats get caught up in the maelstrom.
We may be less oppressed now but we are also less united.
in extension, are their proportionally more great european men than african men in social/economic fields such as politics, science, economics etc ( i think this question is rhetorical but it should provoke feedback)?
I answer this differently to the other one. Where as the oppresive situation may have created a climate which called for great men in terms of politics and leadership, I think that until things are completly free and equal then we will be restricted in terms of the other disciplines mentioned.
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Posted: Sunday August 21st, 2005 21:26 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: Where as the oppresive situation may have created a climate which called for great men in terms of politics and leadership, I think that until things are completly free and equal then we will be restricted in terms of the other disciplines mentioned.
yes dm!
this is where i'm at
and its helps give the struggle more meaning
what are we living for if not for social development?
great african men and women
no one talks about wanting oppression
wanting second class citizenship
backwardness among their future generations
if people do not want the best for their family, group and people
they should not expect their humanity to be realised or respected?
the production of great people from within our race is about us and not our enemies making history
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Posted: Sunday August 21st, 2005 22:14 |
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Well then the main target today would seem to be convincing ourselves that we actually have a target. How to counter the complacency and shake people comfortable opinions.
That is the task for a future great man IMO or a leader.
It would mean being unpopular at first because most people do not want to believe that there is work to be done (especially the wealthy blacks) and the less wealthy are revelling in the low status... Both groups would offer rejection.
In order to progress in the disciplines mentioned a great man still needs the platform that comes from a wave of good feeling following unity from a great leader. Look at all the quality writters, businessmen, historians and so on that came out of the civil rights movement... unity of purpose and fresh ideas.
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Posted: Monday August 22nd, 2005 02:18 |
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What separates great men from ordinary males.....charisma and intelligence used in the proper combination
Those are the 2 things all great men have possessed and you haven't found one effective Black leader who didn't posses both.
Unfortunately because too many of our people are moved only by emotion, a great Black leader would have to be one who can balance entertainment with rational thinking and practical solutions.
And because generally we are more REactive than PROactive, a great leader would have to be able to articulate our problems well enough to motivate us into action...this takes charm.
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Breadfruit wrote: why are some men called great and others just deemed ordinary?
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That's easy. All great people are serious.
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Consistency, regardless of time, space, and environment.
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@BreadFruit. Wicked thread....If we examine the great books of modern religious thought all of them categorise the difference between ordinary men/women and extra- ordinary. This is not an issue of technique or even knowledge but essentially about character. According the Njia Ntu like most of the great religious moral texts they show you most men are driven by base and relatively low things. Women, sex power, feeding ego all very primmittive. That is their base and they cannot move beyond it. Farrahkan is in that league, largely 'me me me' as he does not have the calibre or character to strive higher.
The men who have the makings of greatness are those who can literally brush those things aside and subordinate them to higher ideals or purposes in a extremely disciplined and goal orientated ways in a way lesser individuals cannot not. They are also constantly growing in that capacity which is where they derive or develop their skills at a higher level. Lenin for me is an exemplar and one of the best models of true greatness and a man on a mission.
So greatness is the possession of a very small number of people because the basic requirements are so high. Most people are ordinary. Let me illustrate this when you build serious organisations with developed systems etc and I will use an area I know very well security and political security in particular. They only choose the elite of any group and those people will be the most disciplined and who have all the basics I have just mentioned eg superior intelligence, decision-making capaciites et ability to handle real pressure and responsiblities etc, the capacity to keep your pants or knickers on under great temptation etc. Having control over yourself and facalties.
This does not mean they are great far from, but they posses the basic material from which those type of people come from. They or our superiors look for those key core qualities. These are not qualities large numbers of people have too hand. If you study seriously great leaders you will always find a core cluster of qualities, the young Mandela, Malcolm, Luther King was for me morally weak because he was an out and out cocksman and threatened the whole programme but a major leader and physically and morally courageous, no doubt and bigger than Malcolm at that point. But Malcolm had superior human qualities and would have outshone him cleaarly and that was already on the cards leading up to the march on Chicago vis a vis the dustmen dispute.
In fact it is one of the reasons Malcolm got murdered because he would have suceeded Elijah Muhammed and would have cleaned house and got rid of gangsters and racketters like Captain John Muhammed who was on the take and on FBI payroll to boot. Malcolm would have made the Nation in to a serious organisation rather than a personallity cult. Everybody who knew Malcolm personally who I have reasoned with say he was cleaner than clean and straighter than straight. Unlike his doggy predecessor Elijah Muhammed.
Shaka was truly great and his intelligence and determination and single mindedness as a child simply stood out, Cabral was another, Castro is truly great and no question about that. Julius Ceasar, Napolean even though we busted him up has always been a hero of mine (if you take my meaning an admirable enemy) and Britain's greatest hero with no equal, Lord Nelson. All these great heroes have fundamental core characterisitcs in common which seperate them from others.
Garvey was a superior achiever beyond his years becoming the youngest African Manager in Jamaican history moreover his sense of personal confidence was extremely rare. Look how Garvey who will never win any prizes for the hottest male looks in Jamaica, had two of the most gifted and brillant women of the age and leaders in the own right weak at the knees for this man. As Amy Jaques said she could only believe a) he was mad and off his head b) he was a true genius and the African Napolean. Because as youg as he was, like Shaka Garvey was so crystal clear about his destiny and his people's and knew (and did not hide it) that he and only he was the man to lead this army and he was not wrong was he?
Garvey like all the greats mentioned knew what their purpose and reason to exist was and simply gave themsleves to that wholey and solely, who though viewed him as vain or arrogant that was their business or problem but they knew precisely what their role was. Like Vladimier Illich eg Lenin.
I love Illich who they use to call the 'splitter' because if it did not make sense to Lenin he would not leave any strategy table until he got his way and would argue about minute details and not move an inch until he got his way which he did. And as you are aware the calibre of the elite Russian revolutionaries was second to none.
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Posted: Friday January 6th, 2006 11:08 |
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Garvey was a superior achiever beyond his years becoming the youngest African Manager in Jamaican history moreover his sense of personal confidence was extremely rare. Look how Garvey who will never win any prizes for the hottest male looks in Jamaica, had two of the most gifted and brillant women of the age and leaders in the own right weak at the knees for this man. As Amy Jaques said she could only believe a) he was mad and off his head b) he was a true genius and the African Napolean. Because as youg as he was, like Shaka Garvey was so crystal clear about his destiny and his people's and knew (and did not hide it) that he and only he was the man to lead this army and he was not wrong was he?
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He certainly wasn't!
Welcome back Fred, as I have always said, your posts are a great and precious resource to our thinking people.
More Power to you Sir!!
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@Breadfruit greetings dear brother and fellow solider. Hope the season started well for you. Good to come back and to know certain brothers and sisters as ever holding the line and gaining territory.
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Posted: Saturday February 11th, 2006 15:29 |
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Mezmerized wrote:I think we are stuck in a delusion where we want our leaders to speak, but NOT really too loud! Thats why people say things like he would have brought misery because of his so called violence teachings. Funny thing is, we have people back in the Continet who up this day BLAME Lumumba for THAT speech during our "independence"from Belgium when he let it all out about the atrocities they comitted against us. The funny thing is, these kinds of people all have one thing in common: FEAR! Yet because they think they dodged Moraccan border guards to get to Europe or once served in the armies, that they are MEN, not cowards. But what they don't understand is, the courage that the MIGHTY ones like Malcolm and Lumumba had has nothing to do with dodging a few bullets or fighting in the jungles with snakes. Its their ability to fight what was in the MINDS of theirpeople that made them the GREATESTS. There is no bigger task or mountain or bigger enemy than the fight for your people's minds..........and these two DID manage to GET into our minds. THAT, to me, is GREATNESS!
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Posted: Saturday February 11th, 2006 20:52 |
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What separates great men from ordinary males?
Imagination, thought, desire and effort. That is all.
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Posted: Sunday February 12th, 2006 19:01 |
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