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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 14:31 |
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why are some men called great and others just deemed ordinary?
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 17:24 |
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It all depends on what the wider community (family excluded) feel about him. There are many millions of heroes with deeds unsung... it's why nations have a "tomb of the unknown soldier" I suppose... It's how loudly your name is sung and remembered....
In politics or activism it can happen in two ways, either the man's deeds or words are so effective or inspirational that he affects change so that the PEOPLE declare him to be great... Or he can amass power through other means and a gather a voice to convince people that he is great by sheer charisma. An effector or a hoaxer... either way if he is good enough he will be remembered as a great.
If in showbiz/sports then it's a combination of lastability of the deeds, impact made on his people, how he is remembered by not only his peers but the younger generation as they will continue his memories. Fair enough People who lived during Muhammad Ali's reign though he was great but he is great because people who were not yet alive to see him fight believe he was great too.
To some extent, to be truly great you should transcend your field... People may have thought Ali was the greatest boxer but Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson or a few others could have made simmilar claims. Ali was bigger than boxing and his outside activities and voice made him a great man. Carl Lewis or Maurice Green may be great sprinters but did they make the impact that Jesse Owens did in Nazi Germany and lay the smackdown on the Aryans in their own nation?
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 17:49 |
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Great Men
Diop - for his achievements as an academic
Gates - for world beating innovation
Spielberg - for reinventing popular cinema
Mandela - for his achievements in world politics and for his humanitarianism
Williams - for siring and nuturing TWO sporting world champions in a racist sport
King - for dismantling American Apartheid
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 18:14 |
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Three names.....Malcom X, Marcus Garvey and Lumumba! These three set the standard for greatness to me......
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 18:42 |
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just a few....
vision
focus
self control
determination
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 18:52 |
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BreadFruit: Just to add to Bluehoney's list I would put these as the main criteria for GREATNESS:
- Respect of peers,
- Transparent principles.
- The ability to communicate across cultures and in all contexts...
- Focused determination
- Self motivated.
- has the ability to inspire/motivate by deeds and word..
I would however disagree with Bluehoney and the 'self control' bit.. because there are a number of leaders whom we revere who clearly did not have 'self control' MLK springs to mind as one obvious example.. Muhammed Ali another..
Last edited on Sunday July 17th, 2005 18:53 by Kunjufu
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:02 |
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| A great man carries on his mission regardless of the obstacles or success' that come his way.
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:16 |
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| A great man is a black man who endures a failing relationship or marriage for the sakes of his children's future.
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:20 |
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in addition to my first reply...
patience
virtue
tolerance
fairness
acceptance
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:45 |
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| A great man is one who can survive the london transportation system for a whole day and not end up strangling someone. Last edited on Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:46 by trunk
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:48 |
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Kunjufu wrote:
I would however disagree with Bluehoney and the 'self control' bit.. because there are a number of leaders whom we revere who clearly did not have 'self control' MLK springs to mind as one obvious example.. Muhammed Ali another..
LMAO. Wasn't MLK having affairs with white women? Not good for the image of a black activist during his time lol.
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:50 |
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trunk wrote: A great man is one who can survive the london transportation system for a whole day and not end up strangling someone.
i rode that mess one time...and after...i knew god had to have been with me....lol
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 20:54 |
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Timeline wrote: Kunjufu wrote:
I would however disagree with Bluehoney and the 'self control' bit.. because there are a number of leaders whom we revere who clearly did not have 'self control' MLK springs to mind as one obvious example.. Muhammed Ali another..
LMAO. Wasn't MLK having affairs with white women? Not good for the image of a black activist during his time lol.
most great men from the beginning of time have been said to have had affairs...but had self control in other areas...lol
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 21:06 |
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bluehoney wrote: Timeline wrote: Kunjufu wrote:
I would however disagree with Bluehoney and the 'self control' bit.. because there are a number of leaders whom we revere who clearly did not have 'self control' MLK springs to mind as one obvious example.. Muhammed Ali another..
LMAO. Wasn't MLK having affairs with white women? Not good for the image of a black activist during his time lol.
most great men from the beginning of time have been said to have had affairs...but had self control in other areas...lol
I agree. Which proves that the more you know about someone the more you come to the realization that they are just human...no matter how "superhuman" they may appear. The image portrayed and the actual person often clash when too much is expected from someone especially.
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 21:09 |
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Timeline wrote: bluehoney wrote: Timeline wrote: Kunjufu wrote:
I would however disagree with Bluehoney and the 'self control' bit.. because there are a number of leaders whom we revere who clearly did not have 'self control' MLK springs to mind as one obvious example.. Muhammed Ali another..
LMAO. Wasn't MLK having affairs with white women? Not good for the image of a black activist during his time lol.
most great men from the beginning of time have been said to have had affairs...but had self control in other areas...lol
I agree. Which proves that the more you know about someone the more you come to the realization that they are just human...no matter how "superhuman" they may appear. The image portrayed and the actual person often clash when too much is expected from someone especially.
yep...and most of the time...one mess up has nothing to do with a person's over all character....no excuses ...but that is how it is...
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Posted: Sunday July 17th, 2005 23:26 |
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| Ok,I`ll attempt to answer the question of what seperates great men from ordinary males......in my humble opinion it`s.........................about 9 inches.
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 00:46 |
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trunk wrote: Ok,I`ll attempt to answer the question of what seperates great men from ordinary males......in my humble opinion it`s.........................about 9 inches.
so who has the 9 inches....
great men? or ordinary men? 
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 00:56 |
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| I thot the criteria was 12 inches....Always thot I was great...lol
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 01:06 |
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trunk wrote: Ok,I`ll attempt to answer the question of what seperates great men from ordinary males......in my humble opinion it`s.........................about 9 inches.
hehhehehhe! you beat me to it!! but I was going to write "what seperates a great man from a good man is 2 inches!"
actually, IMHO, believe that what seperates a good man from a great man is in the issue of vision....
.....both may have vision, but it is the great man who believes that his vision is true and good for all men.
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 01:40 |
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Allaccess wrote: I thot the criteria was 12 inches....Always thot I was great...lol
stop braggin...u know u can hurt someone with that thing u know 
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:15 |
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MLK had affairs with white woman.................was that during marriage or when he was a young nugget before he became black.........
can someone confirm this for me.............because if he ws having affairs with white women during his marriage while being a civial rights activist.................then not only will he not enter my list of "great" men.............but now and future his name will be banned in my immediate enviornemnt.
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:22 |
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| Sooofresh...Unfortunately it is and was true...the FBI recorded MLK frolicking with other women, I didn't believe this at first but this was later conformed fropm the mouths of his own people on the American TV programme 'Eye on the prize' which chronicles the Civil rights era of the Sixties..
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:23 |
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hmmm
civil rights activist having affairs with white women....
interesting concept.
kinda riminds me of the great cockup back in the day with the rasta advertising pork.
he he he anyone remember dat?
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:29 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Sooofresh...Unfortunately it is and was true...the FBI recorded MLK frolicking with other women, I didn't believe this at first but this was later conformed fropm the mouths of his own people on the American TV programme 'Eye on the prize' which chronicles the Civil rights era of the Sixties..
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what can I say.................today is a sad day indeed.
I knew he was a nugget when young..........................
Malcom X.............be gone , gone..........................in the future my kids are banned from knowing about this two-faced fake fool.
well atleast we have Mrtin Lutehr King and Marcus Garevy and Babikr Bedri ( spel)
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:31 |
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| Sooofresh..I think you've confused the names I'm talking about Martin Luther King NOT Malcolm X...who as far as I know didn't cheat on his wife..Martin Luther King was known to serially cheat on his wife
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:40 |
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LOL
shame
too early in morning..................
puts glasses on
oh seen well Maloclm X pleasve forgive me that I have doubted you for once.
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MArtin Luther King.............what has your wife did so bad to go to next white women............oh I see........thats why you want peace ...............and love............with white people............shoud'ave been clear what type of love you wanted.
Martin Luther King...........Banned from household..........sell out punk.
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Posted: Monday July 18th, 2005 08:49 |
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