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Posted: Wednesday August 10th, 2005 12:41 |
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(Admins Can you put in the games section. I cannot post on that section for some reason)
Video Games make you comfortable with Black on Black Violence.
Defining ideology
The Video game industry has take over from Hollywood in sales, they estimated that by year 6250 (2010) it be worth $26 – $30 Billion. Now due to technological advancement these video games are becoming more like movies with character become indistinguishable from real movies. They have real actors like Samuel L Jackson in these games doing voice-overs etc. Now I was watching some “muzugu�(Cracker) playing GTA San Andreas on PC recently release and all I could hear was Samuel L shouting “N***a N***a N***a�, throughout the game, characters throw around the N word with impunity.
The game for anyone who does not know, it all about self destructive behaviour Black on Black violence taken to the extreme without being caught by the police or being killed by other gangs, mafia, corrupt police. This is a series of games which started with a European character and now it has a black male in the staring role. The previous version had several missions which involved killing Haitian people. When they complained about this it only fuelled a surge in sales because people like controversy (Hidden Sex Scene)
Games are addictive
Now some people might think that this is equal opportunity but I contend that once you put down this game you can pick up a mirage of other games with European superheroes and European themes usually war. The themes of these games are largely based on the so called “World War� that is an expression of European imperial power. It defines enemies on the subliminal mind of the person playing and a recent study said that your brain triggers the same response to video games violence as to real violence. Just to prove a simple point a game recently came out in which they spoke the actual African language of the DR Congo Lingala I recognised it immediately and I call some of my family from that country that play lots of games to listen. Now every time they come around they want to play that very game.
Only Good Black Man Is A Dead One
With the next generation consoles and PC power I have seen a trend of new games which involved Black characters all of which are on the same vain as GTA San Andreas and each trying to out do each other in the way they can make black character self destruct and in the background your can ALWAYS hear that hip hop “Slave (s)hip hop� beat rocking. To give you the heads up the next most controversial game about to hit the stores is a game call “25 to life�. Black characters involved in the most wanton self annihilation imaginable. It is not just about violence you also prostitute women, wear gang clothes and jewellery and drugs. Slave S(Hip) hop videos fantasy made into games.
“187 Ride or die� is a car racing game with more killing and murder. Just the name alone and you will know what these are about.
Seeing white supremacy everywhere
This article came to me while I was in Paris, in a neighbourhood in Paris which are considered the ghettos “San Denis� which is predominately Afrikan people there were these massive bill boards for GTA San Andreas and nothing else. These areas suffer from urban decay just like the ghettos in America especially high unemployment but the people all seems to have a video console.
White enjoy watching us die
While researching this I found that even the Anglo-Saxons have notice the trend. This is a review of the game Saint Row “I thought the video was rather…unimpressive. In other words, not terribly pretty, not incredibly original, and very much on the same exact track that everyone else seems to be on -- pitting African-American men in gangs against one another in a whirlwind of bloodshed and street-fought gun wars.� The reviewer went on to say he loved the game even though it was un-original and just a copycat game of GTA San Andreas. Think about that for a minute. White cannot get enough slave (s)hip hop the same reason, negro entertainers talking about killing each other while their “bitter enemy� as postulated by Chancellor Williams in Book The Destruction of Black Civilisation watches on.
My family don’t spend your hard earned cash on this crap (P2P) and if a copy happens to come you way (P2P) then please buy a copy of Black On Black Violence: The Psychodynamics of Black Self-Annihilation in Service of White Domination by Amos N. Wilson to counteract the harmful effects of these games, music videos and movies
Let a Brother Rant about hidden sex scenes
They have now found hidden sex scene in the game GTA because this is what whites think of you. You’re nothing but a dumb hypersexual negro who lives and dies for their white b**ches. In most cases it is true. In the UK they say 42% black males have cracker women. UK black engage in high rates of self hatred and violence against each other. Once you have that silicone butt, botox lips, collagen breast, face pulled back, rhinoplasty shaped nose (You know the order), fake tan, melanoma cancer susceptible, blue eyed “mutantoid� you become completely useless to the race. This is why we are become what social scientist call the “worthless eaters�. Create nothing, manufacture nothing, consumer everything made by others and only do the jobs that will be taken over by computers in the future.
Life Imitating Art
The real reason this concerns me is because the African community in the Diaspora has twice recently become victims to what I call “Life Imitating Art� syndrome, where our whole community has moved in a particular direction based totally on propaganda placed in the corporate controlled media. The first instance was Black men on the down low which was not even conceptualise until some homo call E Lynn Harris wrote a book about it in about 1996 and R Kelly sung his songs. Now everyone is talking about the downlow.
The second is HIV/AIDS being an Afrikan problem, even if they could find it (which they can’t) in the body. No virus knows where you live, what type of sex you are and what colour. This virus is the smartest virus ever while remaining completely invisible to the Electron Microscope. But with a media deluge included National Black AIDS Day where they want only Africans in American to get tested. Faith Based initiative to get preacher to get there congregation tested they have been able to get the western world to believe that HIV/AIDS is a black thang. Take this from Brother Derrick the ONLY way you can catch HIV/AIDS is to submit yourself for one of them phoney HIV test. END OF STORY.
Cultural Cleansing
I am in the middle of writing my own video game it is called negrocide. You have to kill and rob every Slave (s)hip hop artist, every tattoo claded barbarian looking basket ball player, Every chicken licking, “you will get yours in heaven�, homosexual promoting preacher, Every buck shuffling uncle tom negro “intellectual�, every negro entertainer(especially slave s(hip) hop artists and Stepin Fetchit coons sambos clowns comedians with special mission to get the money of Oprah Winfrey and Bob Johnson with this all this cheese stacked you use it to defeat the system of white supremacy.
Relax it is just a game. Or do I take life too serious?
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 02:46 |
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 03:36 |
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I got hooked on DOOM when it came out. Centuries ago in computer years. I would come home from work, fix something to eat, and sit down to play thinking. "I'll play for an hour or so then get something useful done." The next thing I know I'm practically falling out of the chair 'cause I'm so tired, and it's 3 o'clock in the morning.
Somehow it wore off after 8 months. I've tried some other personal shooters, HERETIC, DUKE NUKE'M 3D, QUAKE. They all seem the same as DOOM to me and don't hold my attention.
A friend of mine took his QUAKE CD and melted it over the stove to stop playing. 
I don't buy this just a game stuff. The psychological effect will vary over a large population. 5% will have no effect and 5% will be greatly affected. Because of that unaffected 5% they will say, "See it's not the game. It's freedom of speech." YEAH RIGHT!
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 14:55 |
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Meh! Last edited on Thursday August 11th, 2005 14:57 by Peacemaker
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 14:56 |
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Only dumb people are affected psychology by any media, game or otherwise.
Serves them right too.
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 16:52 |
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It's a pity there are lots of dumb people who can then affect others.
There was some movie where a ticket taker at a train station was set fire in the booth. Some nitwits then did it in New York.
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 08:40 |
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Peacemaker wrote: Only dumb people are affected psychology by any media, game or otherwise.
Serves them right too.
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thats a bit of a dumb selfish attitute to have about a topic thats makes a very good point,
its maybe dumb people to you but i call them young adults whose minds have not developed enought to recognise the bigger picture.
and they need to be told! not ridiculed
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 19:49 |
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You don't give young adults enough credit.
The only way a game is going to headf**k a young adult is if the young adult is fairly screwed up in the head already, or if the youg adults parents were so incompetent when he/she was young that that they couldnt teach him/her some values. Don't blame it on games.Last edited on Friday August 12th, 2005 19:52 by Imperialist
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 22:31 |
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Constant Quality wrote:
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thats a bit of a dumb selfish attitute to have about a topic thats makes a very good point,
It's rather dumb to call people dumb and make sh*tloads of spelling mistakes in the same sentence. Hardly makes you look like the brightest chap around either.
It doesn't make a good point at all. The Japanese don't seem to have all these problems western people like to create for themselves. It's not a universal problem so the logical deduction to make is that it's a culture problem, one that seems to be a western cultural problem. It's not the games because they're available everywhere in the world to all sorts of different people.
So the question is, are Japanese people psychologically superior to black and white people, who seem to be the only people in the world to go postal over fantasy and fiction ?
They have vending machines that sell alcohol in public places because they know that their young adults are smart enough not to go out and drink. They trust their own people, they give their own people respect. Over here it's anything but that. Which is not surprising when the adults seem incapable of understanding even simple things themselves let alone have the capacity to educate them to above average standard. And their TV programs are even more violent than ours. Yet they don't seem to have all these weird psychological side effects, certainly not to the degree the west has them. Why is that? A shockingly high percentage of adults can't even read or write.
its maybe dumb people to you but i call them young adults whose minds have not developed enought to recognise the bigger picture.
Blame the parents for being dumb too.
The funny thing is you need a high level of intelligence to play a modern computer game anyway. An IQ less than 130 just won't do.
and they need to be told! not ridiculed
They need to be mocked, then they might developed the desire to have some mental strength and pride, and not be completely thick. People with superior mindsets shouldn't have to have their life's choices limited because of a few weak willed idiots, who are mainly idiots in the first place because their parents are idiots also.
Those young adults are the ones who are capable of forking out 40 to 60 quid for a game also, must be doing well for themselves.
At first people used to moan about books.
The same idiotic mindset then started to moan about TV and Cinema.
And now the same idiotic mindsets are moaning about computer games.
Games which they probably aren't even capable of playing to any stardard at all let alone completing.
To be frank, if a person can't discern the differences between a computer game and reality then they probably wouldn't even beabale to remember which buttons to press in the first place.
People who play for example a Soccer game or an American Football game probably play the games because they like the sport anyway, it's not a computer game that is making people want to play real life sports. That desire is already there. Same goes for somebody who wants to walk into their local highschool and blast seven bells of sh*t out of their class mates. They wanted to do that anyway, in fact games probably delayed the inevitable.
I for one have never met a bunch of gameplayers that are violent to each other, they seem a rather mellow bunch, especially in comparsion to those soap watchers or film watchers who start intensely hating a character they see on screen. How many times have you heard someone say. Oh I hate Tom Cruise, I hate so and so, even though they've never met them in person.
Even the film critics are full of hate for a mere film. Trying to look deeper for a meaning for something that's created mainly for entertainment.
To me that is dumb. Certainly is dumb for a so-called advanced civilization.
We can send people into space, probes to other parts of the solar system, but we can't workout the differences between reality and fiction. Nice.
Some rather limiting thought processes around thesedays.
Quoth a website, about illiteracy:
There are currently concerns about the illiteracy levels of the world population. In fact the literacy rates have increased steadily over the past few decades, although most of these changes have been seen in third world countries rather than the Western Cultures. There are currently 67 million adults living the UK, 8 million of which are considered to be functionally illiterate.
8million people in UK adult population are unable not just to read and write, but also have an inability to locate, evaluate, use, and communicate using a wide range of resources including text, visual, audio, and video sources. The concept of "functional literacy" means that an individual can read and have sufficient numeric skills to function within a society. In a recent study it was discovered that one in seven school leavers didn't have the necessary literacy skills demanded in the work place.
Yeah no wonder people are screwed up, and god, these people are allowed breed.
Some Facts and Figures:
In Britain the figure is over 20%, i.e. eight million people are so bad at reading and writing that they cannot cope with the demands of modern life.
The report found that people in Britain are less able to work out sales bargains, follow a recipe or use loan interest charts than those in most of the other surveyed countries.
One in five adults in Britain has very poor literacy standards. 3,800 people aged between 16 and 65, who had been educated in Britain, were tested, and the results indicated that about 8.4 million Britons of working age (22%) are incapable of comparing and contrasting two pieces of information; a similar number being unable to fill in a form correctly.
A council-by-council breakdown shows the worst problems to be in London, the North-west and the North-east, but even across the middle of England up to a third of the population need help with basic maths and up to 13% with reading.
The UK is ranked 14th out of 20 in a list charting the percentage of 16 to 65-year-olds who read a book at least once a month.
The folks involved in those statistics probably wouldn't even beable to insert a CD into a videogame console in the first place.. I'd imagine those figure are much much higher in the United States.
It's the people not the games.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 16:39 |
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Derrick: what you say is so true!!! For people who are disadvantaged the world over, we are so blase' about the negative influence of many things including some video games.
How anyone could say we are not affected psychologically by media is a great wonder to me. Everything affects us as humans, from the friends we keep, things we say, music we listen to etc. etc. But video games must be the most potent of the lot, 'cause it captures your attention completely for a long time. So to have negative images on there is just plain dangerous.
Not everybody goes out and kills like they do in the games, but its lived out in many different ways and thats the part to take seriously.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 18:46 |
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Again the Japanese don't have these problems. That nation is the one that plays games the most, way more than us lot. My conclusion is that westerners are quite frankly, well easily brainwashed for the most part. They'd believe in anything.
Actually cut that westerners part because it's only the ENGLISH speaking people who turn out to be idiots in this case. The Swedes, Germans, French don't seem to have these problems either. Maybe it's just that English speaking people brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch's News international that end up being stupid and doing stupid things. It's no coincidence that 98% of serial killers come from English speaking countries.
Certainly the people who create the games don't have a problem at all.
Go figure.
Why is it always the people who don't play them are the ones with the problems with them. Oh let me guess. To you folks it's like witchcraft.
My advice is to stay well away from something you don't know how to either play or most importantly of all create, or just don't understand at all.
Yes, I can see it now. "Oh I live my life, but for some reason I don't have any concept of fantasy or even know what imagination or even what real life is at all. So I think I'll play a computer game to get a good idea about real life and everything else that exists. I know let's play this game, Lord of the Rings based on a film which based on a book so I can get good idea about real life.
I guess this what the average 16 to 34 year old thinks. That's the age group that spends more on games by the way, probably because they can afford to. Heck most of them have problem had sex and got drunk by then as well. Hell most work for a living.
Not everybody is completely post-modern for godsake, most people have lived abit by then.
Again only the uneducated are affected psychologically by any media.
If people are not capable of educating people to know about themselves psychologically then it's their own fault.
However don't assume that because you're easy to brainwash that everybody else is.
Yeah right disadvantaged. Oh I'll pay £2000 for a PC, and 200 quid for a console coupled with £40 for a game a piece.
Real disadvantaged.
Ps middleclass people (The people who spend the most on games) aren't disadvantaged. In fact most have a higher degree of education than you lot that shout "Witchcraft, witchcraft."
Funny that the only people who the games might influence are the workingclasses. Perhaps they shouldn't breed as much.
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 10:45 |
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My family you are missing what I said. Asian who have the highest level of game players but they get grounding within their culture (Music movies traditions).and also Japanese make the games about themselves.
Whites produce games films and music about us. Our music promote black on black violence, our movies promote black on black violence. Our novels promote hypersexual, homosexual buck wild self annihilation.
Europeans make movies like Alexander and other movies which promote their conquest of the planet using violent means. Bollywood have just release a movie “The Rising's� which is about Hindu and Muslim violent overthrow of whites in India. Chinese and Japanese constantly make Kung Fu movies about defeating British opium traders and other invading enemies. We ONLY make movies about killing one other. Boys in the Hood, Hustle and Flow and all that other bullsh*t.
Why can’t one of these negro movies directors make a movie about the Haitian Revolution were Boukman, Toussaint L'Ouverture, Jean-Jacques Dessalines,
Henri Christophe lead the Haitian people to a victory over Napoleon’s French armies, Spain and Britain. (I can’t wait to see 500 French solider hanging from the gallows as in Haiti. White man blood running all over the screen til I have to cover my popcorn)
I heard someone say they want more black character in the video games well look at history. In the 1970 the Urban league or NAACP asked for more black character on TV and they got exactly that, more negro entertainers in degrading roles like Good Times, The Jefferson’s and Sanford and Son and a multitude of Blaxplotation movies.
People like “peacemaker� are what I call a water sprinkler. It gets a takes information and spreads it into all kinds different intangible arguments “Rupert Murdoch�, �English speaking serial killers� and “working class�. Education levels have NOTHING to do with it. Who would have thought that Black males would today take pride in being called a “pimp� (A person who sells black women into prostitution)? Who would have thought that we would take pride in calling our self “n**a� and “B***hes� when during slavery we were called “n***a bucks� and “N***a b***h� by theses white devils? This was carefully done with subliminal seduction.
The propaganda from the entertainment industry has been so intense over that last couple of years NONE of which is funded by Blacks. Always look at the money trail and you will see who is ideology is being promoted. Forget the negro who is the director. Look at whose money financed it.
We are being selectively condition into “menticide�. Just this week a study has been produced which say that all this bullsh*t about “Black men on the downlow� and African-American woman being the highest risk of HIV/AIDS is NOT back by any medical data it is just what they call “ghetto rumour� for TV programmes like Oprah Winfrey.
Please read it because it shows how ideology can been forced onto us through using the media of which games are another extension
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http://www.nmanet.org/JMNA_Journal_Articles/july-05_JNMA/HIV_supplement/JulyHIVsupplOS52S.pdf
http://www.southernvoice.com/2005/7-29/news/national/national_downlow.cfm
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 16:51 |
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That article was written by somebody who's never picked up a controller in his life. Its choc full of generalisations, its like saying cinema is bad for you. Just like evrything with video games there is choice, several thousands of titles to choose from. Video games are an art form and as such developers have freedom of expression. You just avoid the games you dont like.
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 20:35 |
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If you have ever watch basketball and a brother is having a good game usually the opposing coach throws on some lanky white boy who not that good whose objective is not to out play the brother but just to spoil his game. The is Nightz a spoiler not with any info but he say I am using generalisation. I gave 3 example of forth coming game which are not realised which have black males in wanton self annihilation.
Where is a comparison when they do not have black characters doing anything positive murdering whites or even shooting aliens all the time they put a black character it is in the black on black violence.
Look at the statistics Hollywood is not the force it was 2005 has been a terrible year for then but it has been a record year for the games industry hence the paradigm shift.
Who can name 10 movies where blacks are not in some sort of degenerative behaviour, clowning, thuggery or faggotry? That is not the totality of the Afrikans experience in the America or the UK.
I have also provide medical documentation of this phenomena called the down low is nothing but hearsay but going into any speak to any African-American they will tell you that Afrikan women in America make up 75% of the new cases of AIDS because the men are going into prison and turning into ladies. This is a false doctrine from a crackers mouth or a negroes mouth.
He says video games are art forms blah blah blah. Europeans thought is full of white supremacy and in there art work is where they express their true feelings. They wish every black man was a homosexual so that they could catch up on the birth differentiation (Europeans cannot reproduce). Europeans live in a self aggrandisement, narcissistic fantasy conquering the world and taking their resources.
Now he is telling black people the biggest consumers of bullsh*t to avoid games. Come on my brother if you are a brother. You are not reading into the discretionary income statistics and what we our people are spending our monies on.
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Hotep,
I agree with the brother who started this thread.
Afrikan Americans are overwhelmingly conspicuous consumers and spend the most money of any racial group in the US per capita on luxury and entertainment items, video games being just one of those items. We should stop buying this garbage for our young people.
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Posted: Friday August 19th, 2005 14:39 |
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Derrick_Kerr wrote: If you have ever watch basketball and a brother is having a good game usually the opposing coach throws on some lanky white boy who not that good whose objective is not to out play the brother but just to spoil his game. The is Nightz a spoiler not with any info but he say I am using generalisation. I gave 3 example of forth coming game which are not realised which have black males in wanton self annihilation.
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The comparison to a basketball game is out of place. You have only 3 examples in an industry of several thousand titles. Here is a comparison, would one bad apple mean all cinema in the world is evil?
Do you play video games? What video games do you own in your collection and on what consoles?
Where is a comparison when they do not have black characters doing anything positive murdering whites or even shooting aliens all the time they put a black character it is in the black on black violence.
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That is simply not not true and an out right lie. Yes they are some games in the industry with "black on black violence" like GTA. But they are in the minority. Expanding on that GTA San Andreas is based on "Boyz n the Hood". Which is a film made by a respected black director, John Singleton. Highlighting inner city life in LA. So you also point point a finger of blame to likes of Spike Lee and John Singleton.
Furthermore not have negative black characters or "black on black violence". Half Life, Half Life 2, Eternal Darkness, Geist, Mercenaries and Shadowman etc These are all major titles titles which dont any of the above or feature negative black characters.
Look at the statistics Hollywood is not the force it was 2005 has been a terrible year for then but it has been a record year for the games industry hence the paradigm shift.
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There are several reason why its been a terrible year, one of which is stifling innovation. The video games industry is young industry with alot of potential. Developers still havent tapped the full potential of the medium and the technology change every few years. Then there is the whole issue of value for money, a movie ticket only lasts an hour and a half. But game title will give you 10 hrs of gameplay at the minimum.
Who can name 10 movies where blacks are not in some sort of degenerative behaviour, clowning, thuggery or faggotry? That is not the totality of the Afrikans experience in the America or the UK.
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Soul Food, Malcom X, Blade, Blade II, Spawn, Cry Freedom, Flame, Colour Purple, Man on fire, Antwone Fisher, Ray, The Hurricane. I could name a 100 titles if you want. Once again you're generalising.
I have also provide medical documentation of this phenomena called the down low is nothing but hearsay but going into any speak to any African-American they will tell you that Afrikan women in America make up 75% of the new cases of AIDS because the men are going into prison and turning into ladies. This is a false doctrine from a crackers mouth or a negroes mouth.
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What does this have to do with video games? Thats a totally separate social problem of great concern. Here is my question can you prove the connection video games have with this problem above?
He says video games are art forms blah blah blah. Europeans thought is full of white supremacy and in there art work is where they express their true feelings. They wish every black man was a homosexual so that they could catch up on the birth differentiation (Europeans cannot reproduce). Europeans live in a self aggrandisement, narcissistic fantasy conquering the world and taking their resources.
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More baseless blutter do you have evidence to support this? In anycase the video game culture is mostly is mostly based on Japanese/chinese/Far East culture. Thats where the greatest influence in the video games industry. Video games as we know them today are based on the work of Nintendo and their superstar designer Shigeru Miyamoto. Other influential games like Asteroids, FF, Pacman those are all japanese. These are what compose the basic frame work of gameplay today.
Now he is telling black people the biggest consumers of bullsh*t to avoid games. Come on my brother if you are a brother. You are not reading into the discretionary income statistics and what we our people are spending our monies on.
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The main problem is that we dont have more black professionals working in the industry. If we had black game developers, maybe we would have more games that put black characters in better roles.
Notice i'm not generalising and saying the entire industry is bad. The truth is the world isnt just black and white, life isnt so simple as that. We must learn to put things in perspective and get our facts right. Rather than just jumping into conclusions.
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Posted: Friday August 19th, 2005 14:45 |
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Even reading the entire article above I fail to see how you think, video games make you more comfortable with black on black violence. Explain yourself how? Dont just make assumptions you need to give us FACT based evidence to support your claims.
One other thing I noticed you kept on making references to GTA (which i dont play). Whilst completely ignoring the many software titles out there with positive black characters. Why is that ?
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Posted: Friday August 19th, 2005 20:57 |
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Because he's a twat.
Simple.
Wonder why he ignores all the games and films with negative white characters as well.
Who can name 10 movies where blacks are not in some sort of degenerative behaviour, clowning, thuggery or faggotry? That is not the totality of the Afrikans experience in the America or the UK.
Name 10 movies where whites are not involved in some sort of degenerative behaviour.
I can barely think of one, especially in recent times.
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 00:24 |
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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 05:16 |
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I must agree with Bro. Derrick about those video games!
I am an adult, and when I played that gta:san andreas, I found myself playing for hours, but then afterwards it felt as if I was a witness to some real killing. Although I know that it was not real, and that I would not do that to anyone in reality. All things start as a thought before it is acted upon. So in turn, these games can affect someone's pscyhe, and when u put young minds into the equation (rather they have adult supervision or guidance from an adult) things can get a bit sticky.
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