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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 11:32 |
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Even more shocking...some men are actually bleaching their skin too!
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Excerpt From New African Travel Book, Roots Recovered
Date: Sunday, June 20 @ 01:43:06 CDT
Topic: Africa
THE BLACK SELF-CONCEPT IN THE AFRICAN DIASPORA by James White, Esq, Author of Roots Recovered
Images & Icons
Images and symbols are very important to people in general and especially for people of the African Diaspora who are the victims of slavery and colonization.
In this western dominated world, the bulk of positive powerful stereotypes are represented as "White," "Good guys wear white," "white magic" (which is supposedly “good�') "Blondes have more fun, "Angel Food� cake (which is white) and “Devil's Food� cake (which is black) and on and on and on. Most positive stereotypes are conveyed as white while conversely, most of the negative stereotypes, especially in America, are represented as "Black." Pimps, a prostitute, welfare queens, dope addicts, rapists, thieves, savages, cannibals and headhunters and black magic conjure up the mental image of Black people.
These negative perceptions and myths are largely formed by the Western media and popular culture, which portrays Africa as savage and backward and Africans as either violent barbarians or simple, childlike people. The entertainment and news media have been the most incessant perpetrators of this negative perception and one of the root causes of the "problem." For example, let us examine the subconscious message sent by one of the most enduring movie heroes, Tarzan.
In the Tarzan story, a plane crashes over the "Dark Continent" and the only survivor is a White male infant. This infant is rescued by apes and is subsequently raised by them. As the infant grows into manhood, being raised solely by apes, he rules over the Africans with a supreme primal yell, which causes them to bow down in submission. The message conveyed by this story and others like it is that Africans are so backwards that mere apes could raise a White male -- and that White male would still be superior to the Africans.
Images found in religions send subliminal messages of inferiority to Black people. Christian icons of the White God image have had a debilitating subconscious effect on the minds of the people of the African Diaspora. The image of God as white nurtures the subconscious belief that the White person is born to be the supreme leader.
Naim Akbar in his book The Chains and Images of Psychological Slavery states:
The person, who looks up and sees his physical characteristics shared by his deity, begins to develop the idea that he is exactly like God, or that God is like him. This is all right if one sees potential for growth in the idea. The confusion of the physical attributes with the very nature of God begins to make the person feel that his particular physical features have endowed him with automatic divinity. Such a person can believe in his own mind, that "I am God, I am Deity, I am Creator.� He begins to believe that the blonde hair and the blue eyes that are on the portrait are the qualifications for divinity. This begins to cultivate an egomaniac. They begin to suffer from ego inflation.
This ego inflation most likely affected the slave masters in North America and the colonial masters in Africa and caused them to relate to the African slaves as mere chattel and subhuman creatures and the Africans under colonial rule in Africa as barbarous and inferior.
The perpetuation of White God images and other symbols and standards that portray "whiteness" as preeminent have a virtually demeaning effect on the subconscious minds of people in the African Diaspora. A chain of subconscious reasoning occurs in the minds of some Blacks who view these images and symbols from infancy to adulthood. The reasoning is that because God and all that is represented as good and beautiful are White and White people share those godly characteristics, then the White characteristics and qualities are preferred and are the best.
The most famous example of the negative Black self-concept was demonstrated in the 1950s by the social psychologist Kenneth B. Clark, who was the best known and most regarded Black social scientist in the United States. Clark's work for the NAACP in the famous Brown v. Board of Education case played a major role in that Supreme Court case.
Clark and his wife developed the famous "Doll Tests," which clearly demonstrated the negative Black self-concept that continues to affect us today. In the Doll Test, Black children in the early school ages were shown four identical dolls, two Black and two white, and were asked to identify them racially and to indicate which doll was best, which was nice, which was bad and which they preferred to play with. This test, administered to Black children across the country, showed that the majority of the children rejected the Black doll and expressed a sincere preference for the White doll. For the Clarks, these tests demonstrated the negative effects of racism on the personality and psychological development of Black children who would one day grow into adults. This negative self-concept in not confined to the United States but penetrates throughout the African Diaspora, even Africa itself.
Skin Bleaching in the Quest for Beauty
I am revealing this information to you now because I do not want you to be shocked like I was, the first time I went to Africa. Skin bleaching is prevalent in Africa. Yes, I said skin bleaching. I was not on the Continent twenty-four hours before I saw it. I saw that Black is not necessarily viewed as beautiful in the Motherland.
The first time I went to Africa, I flew Air Afrique on my way to Benin and I had a 10-hour layover in the Ivory Coast, so the airline put us up in this very small nondescript local motel outside of Abidjan on the oceanfront. We arrived at this hotel at approximately 2:30 AM.
I woke up that next morning to the sound of the waves crashing against the shore. I was in Africa; I was back home; I was very happy. I woke up and met my Nigerian friends and one East Indian friend I met on the plane for breakfast. After we ate, we went for a stroll on the beach. There were boys on the beach engaged in what appeared to be soccer practice and there were small fishing boats going out and coming back with loads of fish in their nets -- and then I saw her. She was an average looking woman in her early twenties wearing very causal African attire with a matching headscarf. She was standing in the shade and had this white cream all over her face, arms, legs, hands and feet. I first thought it was suntan lotion but it was on too thick. I asked my friend from Nigeria what she had on and he said that she was trying to get "clair" which in French slang means to become light. I was shocked. "Not in Africa," I thought. However, there she was, standing in front of my face. She was attired in African garb but trying to "de-Africanize" herself. I heard about African-Americans in the 1930s and 1940s doing such things, but I could not believe that this was going on in the present time.
Bleaching is big problem in Africa, with mostly women doing it but the men do it also. Also skin bleaching is very dangerous and many African countries have been trying to ban it, launching public service campaigns about the harmful effects that come from bleaching your skin. For example, The Gambia has strict laws on the import and export of skin bleaching products. If someone is caught bringing such products into The Gambia, they are subject to fines up to $2,000 and/or three years imprisonment.
A horrible example of the dangers of skin bleaching occurred in Ghana in the boxing ring. Ghanaian Boxer Percy Oblitei Commeu lost his belt and lost some of his skin in a national super-featherweight bout. The boxer's opponent opened a cut on his right cheek that his cut man could not close. Additionally, his nostrils and his right ear tore open, leaving him bleeding profusely. His skin was literally peeling off of his face. The reason why his skin fell off his face was skin bleaching.
Another horrible example of people trying to de-Africanize themselves is Michael Jackson. Do not take this as an insult towards Michael because, in actuality, I feel sorry for him because he is a true victim of a negative Black self-concept. Michael Jackson, however, has transgressed all bounds because in addition to his skin bleaching (no, I do not believe that he has a skin disease), he has surgically altered his face numerous times to de-emphasize his African features, namely his nose. I read several articles that said that he has had so many surgeries to thin out his nose that he now must insert plastic supports in his nostrils to keep them open.
If any of you have his "Off the Wall" album from the 1980's, compare his face back then with his face now. Michael Jackson has totally altered himself to the point that he is unrecognizable from the "original Michael Jackson." The very people who he was trying to look like are now ridiculing him in the press. I read the cover of one tabloid that now call him the "King of Pop" and the "King of Weird." Skin bleaching is not confined to African peoples. It is also a big problem with women on the Indian subcontinent who were also colonized people like the Africans. They also feel that lighter is better. Colonialism is the common thread between the Indian and African people which probably helped create their penchant for skin bleaching.
It is amazing how concepts of beauty change because Olaudah Equiano, an ex slave born around 1745, writes in his memoirs about the pre-colonial African perception of skin complexion.
This excerpt is as follows:
… [f]or in regard to complexion, ideas of beauty are wholly relative. I remember while in Africa to have seen three Negro children, who were tawny, and another quite white, who were universally regarded as deformed by myself and the natives in general, as far as it related to their complexions.
Colonization and the imposition of the "White is the best and most beautiful" complex into the subconscious minds of the colonized Africans in Africa is most likely the subliminal reason why they bleach their skin. Until all people of African descent understand how this inferiority complex was formed and take steps to eradicate it from their minds, we as a group of people will never again advance on a grand scale because we hate ourselves.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 11:43 |
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efenjee wrote: Even more shocking...some men are actually bleaching their skin too!
what you mean some men......there is plenty of men bleaching their ass off like tranvesites.....go to Lewisham and see how them Jamaican and Nigerian men are more and more looking like Moroccan monkeys.....or in Tottenham, you'll find plenty of the Congolese ones looking like a different species of black people all together!
Most people underestimate the extent and the sickening seriousness bleaching is taken by both black men and women........especially with Continental Africans, for me they are equally as bad and lost as each other.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 12:01 |
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| my frenz dads use bleaching cream and ova da years it has totally ruined his skin its now patchy and bumpy and he looks absouletly horrible id advice against use unles 4 medical reasons it dont make you look good so jus leave it alone!
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 12:14 |
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Mez, you make me laugh! Bleaching their ass off like transvestites! But on a serious note I know it's plenty Caribbean and African men doing it (haven't noticed any black british men on it yet), I have looked in shock and horror at the ugly bleached out faces and the black hands of some men and just cannot understand how they can think that looks good. It's embarrassing. It's become kind of acceptable for women to hurt themselves in their quest for beauty (think eyebrow plucking, high heels, corsets, tight ponytails - lol) but when men start doing it, that's bringing it to a whole new level. Disgusting.
@ Heavenly B - What does your friend think about her dad's bleaching? Is she not ashamed?
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 06:16 |
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People who bleach their skin to look white have too huge an inferiority complex. They need to go and get help. How could they ever think that having a beautiful brown chocolate hue is something to get rid off when there are so many white people tanning to try and look just like us.
If you have a blemish and lightener isnt prescibed by your DR for it buy some cocoa butter or get a minor skin peel and be done. I've seen people who spend hours rubbing this crap into their skins and boast about how light they are compared to who and who when its all out of a jar and you have to look at them like their mad. You may be 2-3-5 shades lighter, but your still BLACK. Keep it real.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 07:23 |
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Efengee wrote:
But on a serious note I know it's plenty Caribbean and African men doing it (haven't noticed any black british men on it yet),
I could say the same about the women born here too. I wonder what it is about being British born that insulates us from this practice. I havnt met or spoken to anyone who knows blacks who are born here that bleach. Even Nardo Ranks would be hard pushed.
Could it be that Blacks born in Britain have a more positive self image as regards our complexions than those from home. Which goes against first impressions for me/ as you would of thought that being in a miniority position it would accenuate the need to conform to this crazy standard all the more.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 07:27 |
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Yes this is very true. When I went to Hong Kong earlier this year I was shocked about the abundance of skin bleaching products - every single cosmetics retailer had a range of bleaching products, any big name you can think of - Loreal, Nivea, Ponds etc. They have adverts on the tv. Of course they aren't specifically called bleaching products - but they rather play on fade dark pigmentation spots. I couldn't believe it.
It is too simple to say that people who bleach have an inferiority complex, it is a more complex issue than just that. This is a huge global market, people are making a heck of a lot of money peddling bleaching products at the same time as peddling darkening products.
I suppose Michael Jackson is the most extreme example of someone that has bleached too much, but I don't think that it can be purely laid down to him have an inferiority complex. There are various different issues at work with him, most notably his issues with his father and his extreme childhood.
CA95616 wrote: skin bleaching is not just a black phenomena. Visit Ebay and you will see skin lightening products manufactured and sold all over from Italy to Iran.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 07:38 |
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raeble wrote:
Yes this is very true. When I went to Hong Kong earlier this year I was shocked about the abundance of skin bleaching products - every single cosmetics retailer had a range of bleaching products, any big name you can think of - Loreal, Nivea, Ponds etc. They have adverts on the tv. Of course they aren't specifically called bleaching products - but they rather play on fade dark pigmentation spots. I couldn't believe it.
It is too simple to say that people who bleach have an inferiority complex, it is a more complex issue than just that. This is a huge global market, people are making a heck of a lot of money peddling bleaching products at the same time as peddling darkening products.
I tend to disagree. The whole world subsribes to white is best mentality. You shouldnt be surprised. Look at Japan and China which you can assume share some cultural norms/ and look at the geisha girls who are celebrated in Japanese theatre and see if they are not whiter than white. I wouldnt be surprsied to find thees products wherever the population is not considered white. Hell not so long ago had an immigration law that restricts people from Southern Europe from entering on mass oppsoed to the Nordic countries. Southern Europeans /Gyspsies/ and the Slavs are not considered full whites by many.
You say peddling so I can only assume that you acknowldege that it is an trade that preys upon European cultural values and peoples need to adhere to them.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 10:12 |
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Mezmerized wrote: efenjee wrote: Even more shocking...some men are actually bleaching their skin too!
what you mean some men......there is plenty of men bleaching their ass off like tranvesites.....go to Lewisham and see how them Jamaican and Nigerian men are more and more looking like Moroccan monkeys.....or in Tottenham, you'll find plenty of the Congolese ones looking like a different species of black people all together!
Most people underestimate the extent and the sickening seriousness bleaching is taken by both black men and women........especially with Continental Africans, for me they are equally as bad and lost as each other.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 12:29 |
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They need to ban the stuff, I swear half of the products in black hair shops are bleaching creams and people boldly pick them off the shelf, no shame at all.
It look discusting on men and women.
I wonder what would happen if they just stopped using it, would the skin begin to rejuvenate?
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 12:51 |
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chi wrote: They need to ban the stuff, I swear half of the products in black hair shops are bleaching creams and people boldly pick them off the shelf, no shame at all.
Agree that they should ban it......especially in our own countries, the governments needs to be more stringent with those crooks and actually ban it all together.....with a prison sentence for anyone caught selling it. So far i have only heard of Senegal that has legally banned any bleaching products.....why aren't the rest following is beyond me.....
I am truly concerned about this thing.....i feel that most black people do not realise the damage that bleaching does to our children.....especially those with kids who openly bleach their asses off whilst walking around with jet dark kids......do they realise the damage they are doing to those kids self esteem??
It look discusting on men and women.
I wonder what would happen if they just stopped using it, would the skin begin to rejuvenate?
I think some lucky ones do have their colour back....but it takes TIME.....one will have to give it at least a few years for their skins to rejuvenate....
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 21:17 |
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As far as Asian go,
It as always been in there culture that fair skin is beautiful.
That goes back for centuries.
The white man had nothing do to with that.
China. They built The Great Big Wall of China to keep outsiders out.
Who knows when their people first laid eyes on white person.
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Please invite me to the wedding, I imagine you both would probably fall head over heels for one another had you only the chance to actually meet. Now Play NICE U 2!!!
    
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"Mansamusa, son of an idiot, have I annoyed you, cos am telling the truth?? I will go back to play with my fellow little girls if you promise me to go back your ghetto. Will ya? There you can insult ur mum, ur bros, sistas, in fact everyone as much as you like.
You are the text book example of a stupidy. Let me show you the mathematical proof to it:
(stupidity+ illiteracy+ insecurity towards younger women + small dick with 0.001% erectile capacity) = mansamusa
Wanted to make it a quadratic euqation but didn't wanna confuse the ur little fishegg brain. Kept it nice and simple for you.
Why are you always emphasising on my young age? Are you a paedo???? Oh, I know, you can't handle younger girls, cos of the small dick. Well, try Harley Street clinic they do dick enlargements. Let me know once you've gone there, cos I 'm sure you will be more secure and confident towards younger women when you get ur size right.
I didn't know there are such insecure black men on this universe.... I hope thunder will strike them and wipe them out in one go. Their genes should not be allowed to surive!!!"
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Posted: Friday January 20th, 2006 20:44 |
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i just find it really strange some of the opinions here. i mean, take a really dark-skinned person. actually scrap that, take a black-skinned person (not even dark brown) trying to go about his/her everyday life but finding it impossible because his/her own people see him/her as as outcast and someone to be ridiculed. being called blk and what not and getting stared at like some ogre. then its these same people that are taking a moral high-ground when said person tries to do something about it?
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Posted: Friday January 20th, 2006 20:54 |
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ratty123 wrote: i just find it really strange some of the opinions here. i mean, take a really dark-skinned person. actually scrap that, take a black-skinned person (not even dark brown) trying to go about his/her everyday life but finding it impossible because his/her own people see him/her as as outcast and someone to be ridiculed. being called blk and what not and getting stared at like some ogre. then its these same people that are taking a moral high-ground when said person tries to do something about it?
     
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Posted: Friday January 20th, 2006 23:08 |
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the main event wrote: ratty123 wrote: i just find it really strange some of the opinions here. i mean, take a really dark-skinned person. actually scrap that, take a black-skinned person (not even dark brown) trying to go about his/her everyday life but finding it impossible because his/her own people see him/her as as outcast and someone to be ridiculed. being called blk and what not and getting stared at like some ogre. then its these same people that are taking a moral high-ground when said person tries to do something about it?
     
 
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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 01:49 |
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the main event wrote: ratty123 wrote: i just find it really strange some of the opinions here. i mean, take a really dark-skinned person. actually scrap that, take a black-skinned person (not even dark brown) trying to go about his/her everyday life but finding it impossible because his/her own people see him/her as as outcast and someone to be ridiculed. being called blk and what not and getting stared at like some ogre. then its these same people that are taking a moral high-ground when said person tries to do something about it?
Youre right. At least those very dark people are not lazy. They got a problem so they do something about it. They should be applauded for being so pro-active. Does anyone know how courageous an act it is to bleach your skin and spoil yourself for a pale look that is idolised by a indoctrinated black public and reinforced in the media daily. And then people got a cheek to say that these people who bleach are seriously disturbed and need help?
I wonder why they always say that?
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@MANSAMUSA: Hi, have'nt heard much from you on the forum of late. Hope all is well!
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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 10:49 |
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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 12:05 |
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ratty123 wrote: i just find it really strange some of the opinions here. i mean, take a really dark-skinned person. actually scrap that, take a black-skinned person (not even dark brown) trying to go about his/her everyday life but finding it impossible because his/her own people see him/her as as outcast and someone to be ridiculed. being called blk and what not and getting stared at like some ogre. then its these same people that are taking a moral high-ground when said person tries to do something about it?

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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 14:51 |
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The only people I've seen or heard make fun of very dark-skinned people are black people.
If you're blessed with beautiful dark toned skin u gotta love it. Only the IGNANTS (far too many IMO) bully those darker than themselves.
Bleach creams cause permanent skin damage.
BAN THE BLEACH!!!
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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 23:26 |
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What kind of dark skin do you like? Fake or real?
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