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Posted: Friday May 11th, 2007 22:08 |
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Andrea Riggs was ready to take on the competition when she opened her personal training studio in Black Jack, Mo.
The niche for Body Beautiful was to help black women get into shape, be healthy and look good.
The competition she ran into, however, wasn't Bally or Gold's or 24 Hour Fitness. Instead, her greatest competition came from attitudes about exercise and diet from the people she wanted for her clients: black women.
"They told me they didn't want to lose weight," Riggs said, recalling her efforts to recruit clients. "It's cultural expectations and pressures. African-American women seem to say, 'We want meat on our bones, and we all want to be bootylicious and appeal to African-American men.' "
People who battle health disparities in African-Americans agree with Riggs. But they admit the topic rarely is broached because of fear of political incorrectness. Still, that well-meaning sensitivity may contribute to killing people.
The facts
African-Americans aren't the only people to feel the effects of cultural impediments, but they're at the top of many lists for having bad health.
The American Obesity Association says that cultural factors related to diet, exercise and weight among African-Americans play a role in interfering with weight-loss efforts.
The association also says that 78 percent of black women are overweight, and that includes the 50.8 percent who are obese.
Providers of health care know that being overweight or obese is a path to life-threatening diseases.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that black women suffer higher percentages of diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, cancer and premature death. And, the CDC says, when they get these diseases, they have more severe cases than white women.
Yet compared with overweight white Americans, overweight black Americans are two to three times more likely to say their weight is average - even after they've been told they are overweight or obese by a doctor, according to womenshealth.gov.
"There's been less pressure for blacks to lose weight because of a cultural acceptance of higher body weight and heavier body shapes," the site says.
Local recognition
Dr. Michael Railey, medical director of the St. Louis County Health Department, says that health disparities are reaching a crisis level for black women and that it's time health officials take gender into consideration for any health concerns, because one size doesn't fit all.
For example, Railey says, "For black women to exercise, there needs to be a social connection. Studies tell us that black women will work out in groups, but not alone. Men are more likely to work out alone."
Also, to get black women to exercise and adopt healthful lifestyles, you must take hair and appearance into consideration, Railey says.
"If a woman spends hours in a (salon) chair and spends $60, she's out of the gym for at least two days," Railey says.
"Black women who want to build relationships with black men are still forced to try to catch a man by looking the best they possibly can. Until a (black) woman is in a culture where the man says, 'I love you just like you are; I love your kinky hair and I select against long hair.'"
That's not the message that's going out, he says.
"And who's going to make our black women feel beautiful but us?"
Reasons
Some experts say African-American women often are unhealthy because they want to:
- Fit in with their social circle.
- Protect their hairstyles from sweat and heat.
- Eat traditional foods, many of which are unhealthful, or in unhealthful amounts.
- Appeal to men who tell them not to lose weight.
Easier said than done
Lori Jones, an instructor in nutrition and dietetics with St. Louis University, agrees that cultural norms can be a route to bad health.
"There is some truth to that in our culture," says Jones, who is black. "Black women with a little more meat on them seem (attractive), and that's not a bad thing. A little bit of hips, being curvier, is appealing, and sometimes you do have men telling their girlfriends and wives not to lose weight because they like the curves, the extra softness."
Some American food traditions "date back to slavery - eating what's available rather than what's healthy," Jones says.
And food becomes a center of celebrations.
"So we value food (as something) more than just an energy source," she says. "And that's not just us. Many cultures have a historical basis for their food."
Still, traditions can be altered while not being abandoned, she says. For example, a soul food dinner could be made using a smoked turkey wing instead of a ham hock. Figure preferences aren't going to change overnight, if at all, but that doesn't mean people can't be healthy.
"We're not all meant to be the same size," Jones says. "While being overweight or obese puts you at risk for more chronic diseases, you don't have to be (vulnerable) to those diseases. You can be at higher weights and be healthy."
Efforts
Meanwhile, St. Louis has many exercise programs available to black residents. Programs range from YMCAs to municipal recreation centers to small health clubs and church health ministries.
The Rev. B.T. Rice, minister of New Horizon Seventh Day Christian Church, heads health programs for the St. Louis Clergy Coalition.
He says more than 60 percent of St. Louis' 130-plus churches have health ministries. The number has been steadily rising for nearly 20 years.
Also, churches are actively working with agencies such as the American Cancer Society and American Diabetes Association to promote healthier habits and screenings, he says.
Women overwhelmingly are the largest population at the activities, Rice said. Even so, the majority of participants in health programs attend only after their health is threatened.
"They've had heart attacks or they've been told they have diabetes," Rice said.
A counterpunch
"It's not about being thin; it's about health," Riggs says. "What we're fighting are choices. We don't want to be thin; and the barriers that keep African-American women from working out, silly stuff ... our hair? Your need to save a hairdo lessens your desire to perspire and perform physical activities?
"We all want to look good, but to sacrifice your health doesn't make sense."
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Posted: Sunday May 13th, 2007 18:22 |
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I go to the gym 5 days a week, but my PT knows that I dont want any programme that will reduce my good bits  .
I go not because I'm fat but because the health benefits of just exercise alone is enormous especially when it comes to diabetes, high cholesteral, high bp etc etc... prevention is better than cure I say.
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Posted: Sunday May 13th, 2007 18:41 |
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Welcome back sweetness.....
I really missed you...
but your correct of the benifits of exercise thats how I got into it
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 11:16 |
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Miss Nellia wrote: I go to the gym 5 days a week, but my PT knows that I dont want any programme that will reduce my good bits .
I go not because I'm fat but because the health benefits of just exercise alone is enormous especially when it comes to diabetes, high cholesteral, high bp etc etc... prevention is better than cure I say.
5 times a week....? Wow well done....me I just think about going to the gym, I never make it there.....my sis is like you, I admire the dedication.
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 17:49 |
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aaah how sweet BP, missed you too. I took a leaf out of your book with the whole fitness and healthy life style . **wonders how long it will last**
@chi
It's not easy, five days a week is like torture, but I've decided to start now so that it becomes part of my daily regime.........
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 19:38 |
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@Miss Nellia
 What happened to you???
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 19:57 |
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Hi PH,
Been taking a break, but have popped in once and a while to see what you all have been saying, still going strong I'm glad to see. 
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Posted: Monday May 14th, 2007 23:34 |
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It's sad that some black women have this 'I got da Thickness cause my man lurvess it' attitude about not going to the gym. I've seen sisters just plain in bad shape and overweight and loving it 
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Posted: Wednesday May 16th, 2007 17:13 |
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lilsoulful1 wrote: It's sad that some black women have this 'I got da Thickness cause my man lurvess it' attitude about not going to the gym. I've seen sisters just plain in bad shape and overweight and loving it
Interesting point you made there, but if some black men like their women fat then who really is too blame??? coz with amount of sistahs that are overweight or obese is astonishing and the figures are rising..... maybe they fear slimming down may cause the man to leave them for another big girl......... catch 22.
Nothing wrong with being big so long as you dont have high bp and all the other weight related illnesses.
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 07:39 |
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I would rather them be ok with who they are rather than throwing up and starving themselves. These women may not be at a healthy weight but still i do think in this day and age it is good to see women with a healthy body esteem regardless.
Me I bought a treadmill and used it quite a bit then slacked but I have recently started to pick it up again.
I bought a air rower to but my nephew broke it so now when you use it does not use air anymore. I may flog it on Ebay or look into getting it fixed.
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It's sad that some black women have this 'I got da Thickness cause my man lurvess it' attitude about not going to the gym. I've seen sisters just plain in bad shape and overweight and loving it
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 16:06 |
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Sorry to be politically incorrect but I think its a fallacy that black men prefer fat women. Why do some women think this? Most black men (in the west anyway) like healthy looking women just like any race of men. It also a fallacy that white men love boyish looking skinny girls, its gay fashion designers and competing women that promote this idea. The vast majority of men like average sized, healthy looking women full stop. Out of all the black men I know, I know a couple like slim (not skinny) women but the majority like either average sized or maybe 'thick' women. None of them like clinically obese (which is what I call fat)women. When a man says he likes a women with meat on her bones, they are talking about breasts, thighs and bum who has a shape and built like a woman, waist etc, not someone whose round all over.
Please sisters I beg you, obese is not a good look, its bad for your health and a bad example to your kids. Eat right, and exercise.
With regards to the gym, I go at least 4 times a week, once you force yourself into a routine it becomes easier and you feel better. I sleep better, my skin looks healthier, I feel more relaxed. There are also a lot of black women at my new gym, a couple are clinicaly obese but at least they are starting to do something about it now.
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Posted: Thursday May 17th, 2007 17:34 |
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babygirl44 wrote: Sorry to be politically incorrect but I think its a fallacy that black men prefer fat women. Why do some women think this? Most black men (in the west anyway) like healthy looking women just like any race of men. It also a fallacy that white men love boyish looking skinny girls, its gay fashion designers and competing women that promote this idea. The vast majority of men like average sized, healthy looking women full stop. Out of all the black men I know, I know a couple like slim (not skinny) women but the majority like either average sized or maybe 'thick' women. None of them like clinically obese (which is what I call fat)women. When a man says he likes a women with meat on her bones, they are talking about breasts, thighs and bum who has a shape and built like a woman, waist etc, not someone whose round all over.
Please sisters I beg you, obese is not a good look, its bad for your health and a bad example to your kids. Eat right, and exercise.
With regards to the gym, I go at least 4 times a week, once you force yourself into a routine it becomes easier and you feel better. I sleep better, my skin looks healthier, I feel more relaxed. There are also a lot of black women at my new gym, a couple are clinicaly obese but at least they are starting to do something about it now.
Yeap, that's why people like Monique annoy me to no end.
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Posted: Saturday May 19th, 2007 08:37 |
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To answer the question, the same cultural factors that keep BLACK MEN from the gym as well. I haven't heard of one single medical condition that Black women face that Black men are not facing as well. In fact Black men are proven to die SOONER (as well as being hell of a lot UNHEALTHIER) than Black women.
With this being a proven fact I'm wondering why BP creates so many anti-Black women threads????
The only comfort I get in knowing Blackpower is a Black man, is to keep reminding myself that he's a Jamician one.
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Posted: Saturday May 19th, 2007 11:47 |
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girlfromthenc wrote: To answer the question, the same cultural factors that keep BLACK MEN from the gym as well. I haven't heard of one single medical condition that Black women face that Black men are not facing as well. In fact Black men are proven to die SOONER (as well as being hell of a lot UNHEALTHIER) than Black women.
With this being a proven fact I'm wondering why BP creates so many anti-Black women threads????
The only comfort I get in knowing Blackpower is a Black man, is to keep reminding myself that he's a Jamician one.
hmmm  but anyway back to your point...... just in my gym alone the black men far out number the black women, and are far fitter, but that is not to say that we shouldnt apply this to all black people and not just focus on black women, you are right....... finally women out live men across the board, in every race.
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Posted: Sunday May 20th, 2007 00:25 |
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| I wonder where some of these stats come from. I am a bit of a gym freak, I go 4/5 times a week and swim on the days I don't, as there is a pool just round the corner from where I live (my hair is not an issue as I use a very good conditioner afterwards). My gym, 80% of women there are sisters, who know how to take care of themselves. So I wonder if they were included in that survey.
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Posted: Monday May 21st, 2007 10:27 |
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I agree with you Gazelle...i don't understand where all this statistics comes from. My local gym is full of black women....and a lot of "showing off, look at me" black men. However, the number of women far out numbers that of men. To be honest, i think black women are taking better care of themselves MORE so than the men.....the amount of our men with backsides that would give most women a run for their curves if ridiculous.....and don't get me started with their STOMACHS!
The problem with weight is affecting all communities......its mis-education and ignorance rather than anything else.
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Posted: Monday May 21st, 2007 23:43 |
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Mezmerized wrote: Ithe amount of our men with backsides that would give most women a run for their curves if ridiculous.....and don't get me started with their STOMACHS!
LOL.
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