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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 18:07 |
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I've been noticing a disturbing trend among AfroAmericans these last few years.
Not only have many of us stopped cooking for ourselves and our families, we've also stopped opening up soul food places and other eating establishments like we used to.
We went from growing our own food on farms and cooking our own meals...
To moving to the city and buying food to cook ourselves....
To now not even cooking for ourselves anymore.
We'd rather go to the Chinese or Arab resturant and shell out hundreds of dollars a month for our historic adversaries to feed our families; and there's no telling what they're feeding us.
No wonder so many of our youth are growing up fat and sloppy with behavioral and physical-development problems.
There are some AfroAmericans in their 20s who've never had a home cooked meal in their life.
Too many parents and other family memeber would rarther hang out in the club, have sex, get high/drunk, or talk on the cell phone for hours at a time rather than cook a solid meal for themselves.
Even when it comes to Soul Food and cooking to make money, it takes 50 people to run one soul-food joint that only stays open 6 months because the people are too damn lazy to operate it properly.
I walked into a Soul Food place yesterday that was owned by INDIANS!
And guess what, they were running it game tight with corn-bread, grits, turkey wings, butter-beans and everything we used to cook laid out perfectly.
They were dishing it up with a smile and the women were back there cooking away, no cussing or complaining. No loud talk. Service with a smile.
But I was so disgusted I walked out the door after only 5 minutes of observing it.
I was more disgusted at us then at them.
Is the same thing happening over in England?
Are Black people there getting to lazy and contrary to even feed themselves?
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 21:02 |
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 23:39 |
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I dunno Omaar
I'd say it's about 50/50
I know many people who can and do cook. But then I also know those who fit your description. That 50/50 split applies with the sexes too. I know as many women who can't cook as men.
The sad thing is when we do eat out, we eat out at other peoples businesses. Don't get me wrong, I like Chinese and Indian food. But it's a once off thing, not a regular habit.
Outside my Uni is a nice Carribean takeaway and I go there in lunchtimes.
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 00:26 |
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my wife and I cook a full meal Sunday through Friday and then go to lunch and dinner out on Saturday, or breakfast on Sat or Sunday.
full meal, salad and a veggie, a meat or casserole, or pasta dish,
I will give 5 typical meals cooked in home during the week
1)Sunday-a baked chicken or roast with potatoes, biscuits, gravy and two veggies
2)red beans and rice, green beans, french baguette and salad
3)grilled salmon, couscous, asparagus, goat cheese salad
4)linquini with grilled chicken and brocolli, salad
5)smothered liver and mashed potatoes, boiled corn on cob, brussels sprouts, salad
6)homemade pizza with salad
wine, sweet tea, milk and water for drink, and pudding, ice cream, pie for dessert
we then go out on saturday to our fav deli or diner, and then since we live in a big city, we go to a different restaurant on sat night out--date night
we have full southern breakfast on Saturday-grits bacon biscuits eggs
and sunday before church we make blueberry pancakes and maple syrup or homemade waffles or french toast, or omellettes or bagels with lox and cream cheese and lots of shade grown starbucks coffee made
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 04:38 |
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If you can cook at all you're doing better than me, I can't cook for sh*t.
I can't even boil water.
I tried 10 years ago and just stopped trying.
The only thing I know how to do is microwave so when I want a good homecooked meal I have to either ask a friend to come over and cook or dine with my Mexican next-door neighbor and and get a gut full of beans, rice, and enchilladas.
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I dunno Omaar
I'd say it's about 50/50
I know many people who can and do cook. But then I also know those who fit your description. That 50/50 split applies with the sexes too. I know as many women who can't cook as men.
The sad thing is when we do eat out, we eat out at other peoples businesses. Don't get me wrong, I like Chinese and Indian food. But it's a once off thing, not a regular habit.
Outside my Uni is a nice Carribean takeaway and I go there in lunchtimes.
Oh, you're still in the University?
Damn man, you must be going for your doctorate's degree...lol...
It's like that overhere too, I see just as many men who can cook as women and it's disturbing to me because the roles are so mangled.
Shhh...(don't wanna cause any trouble)....But I think its the responsibility of our women and girls to LEARN how to properly cook wholesome and healthy meals for thier families rather than us realying on someone else to feed us.
Now why can't African traditions like that be promoted?
Tuck
You got a good woman bro.
I know a few chicks who can cook, but ain't nobody cooking for my ass like that.
Ain't nobody up in my kitchen whipping up strawberry pancakes
I wouldn't mind helping out a little bit if I hide someone like that around.....but I ain't gonna do too much.
You must have an easy job to feel like helping out that much in the kitchen.
You should adopt an older daughter....someone old enough to help your wife out in the kitchen so you can catch the ball game on Sundays...lol..
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 13:59 |
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Every man should be able to cook. Living on fast food is not an option if you want to stay healthy.Damn expensive and it tastes nasty too. Especially that chicken shop chicken.. disgusting.
Fundemental skills man. There are some brothers out there that as soon as a woman boils a egg for them they are so grateful and talk about how she's a good girl etc. etc. but man like me who can cook are not so easily swayed by a pot of badly cooked bullet rice and tastless cooked down meat..
Today's menu.. cooked down lamb with diced potatoes/ savoy cabbage/ some gently boiled carrots/ rice and some boil plantain. Round that off with a guiness/ nutrament punch.
Another thing.. the easiet way to get a woman to come to your house on the first/2nd or future date/ keep money in your pocket and secure the deal is tell her your're cooking and she can have some. When she start lick her 5 fingers and rest back in your settee with her belly full do you think afters isnt a menu option?
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 14:34 |
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 hear hear@ Mansa&Blackmatta.
Chuuups@omar.
It is very important that both the man and the woman know how to cook. What will happen when your wife is too ill to leave the bed omar...u going to buy take away for your kids until she gets better???
All the men I have known in my life (with the exception of one) know how to cook. All the women in my life know how to cook (with the exception of moi). N e way, I will be learning how to cook PROPERLY in the (very) near future. I have rounded up the best people I know...with the exception of the two best cooks in my life (my Nan-who lives in Jamaica-and my Great Aunt who lives tooo far away!).
I will also be experimenting myself. I enjoyed cooking when I was in school...i love baking even more-just have to brush up on some (almost non existent) skills 
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 14:42 |
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@ Mansamusa: Not all girls are so nyammy-nyammy to take up any and every offer of a plate of food. Some of us were taught not to be eaty-eaty and drinky-drinky, especially from people we've just met and especially when anything they are offering you you could probably cook yourself - and make it taste better too! I for one am very suspicious of other people's cooking, even when it smells nice it don't always taste nice. Plus not everyone is as fastidious about food hygiene as I am. I once saw a big woman strip off the outer layers of corn on the cob and dash it in a pot of boiling water without first rinsing off the corn. That to me is NASTY, it came from the ground and would have to be washed/rinsed before I would cook it. Some people do not wash their cutlery properly and do not wash each fork individually, you cannot safely eat from people like that.
Some people cook easycook rice (I only use American long grain, laaater to smelly basmati), how some people cook their rice is by boiling it up and then draining it off in a colander, I can usually tell just by looking if someone has done that and I would not eat it. Some people cook rice and peas with tinned peas thrown in and mixed up with white rice, I was taught to soak peas overnight, boil til tender with appropriate additions (thyme, skellion, salt, butter etc) and then add washed rice to cook together so that the rice actually cooks in the peas and absorbs all the flavour and goodness - so I would not be keen to eat from anyone who did not do things the proper way.
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 14:43 |
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Black Matta
If you can cook at all you're doing better than me, I can't cook for sh*t.
I can't even boil water.
I tried 10 years ago and just stopped trying.
The only thing I know how to do is microwave so when I want a good homecooked meal I have to either ask a friend to come over and cook or dine with my Mexican next-door neighbor and and get a gut full of beans, rice, and enchilladas.
jerk seasoning says
this meat called omaar is one of those daft hard backed meats ...who thinks its cool not being able to cook to look after himself
any way this recipe is simple
1 start with one big dose of shut the f**k up omaar...followed by two cloves of stop talking sh*t
2 marinade with 10 slaps to the head...no more than 10 b/c the meat will spoil....braize for 2 minutes by gripping him by his collar and telling him what a fool he is
3 garnish with one snap kick in him back... and there you have it one grown up man who can look after himself in d kitchen and dont talk sh*t no more
that is the recipe of the day enjoy
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 16:11 |
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Actually Omaar bro, my wife and I share the kitchen, because I love to cook and a bit of a gourmand. But my wife, who is an attorney and also teaches a few courses at the University, has taken on alot more of the cooking in the last few years.
because we share the work, I never have a problem with catching my sunday afternoon political programs, Italian soccer matches and PGA golf. We often go the the beach on sundays after church or to the river for biking and picnicking. Just as my parents did when I was a kid.
no, we will adopt a baby--since we dont need help around the house, though we will get a part time nannie for the baby, when she is a toddler. I grew up with nannies and I want my children to have the same.
yes, my wife is a grand woman, the best! I have a very busy and demanding job, but my priorities are God, family, country, community and career, so with that perspective, I never but a job in front of the most important things in my life.
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Posted: Thursday August 25th, 2005 23:26 |
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I don't know about some of you, but I do actual physical WORK for a living.
I build sh*t, so I don't feel like fumbling around in the kitchen playing Ainsely Harriot whipping up meals every night.
Besides, I tried cooking already and just can't seem to get the hang of it. It's not like I'm too lazy to cook for self, I'm just not much of a cook to start with. I don't like to eat my own cooking.
Cooking is a woman's job and our women and girls need to be brought up and taught how to cook for themselves, their men, and their children instead of working for and under white men making them richer and happier.
It's their job to cook, clean, and maintain the house....it's our job to provide and protect.
That's the way it's been for thousands of years.
Ain't nobody fooling me, most of the bruthaz I know who claim they can cook only do so because their women will no longer cook for them and they have to hustle something together or starve.
We weren't made for cooking or any other type tedious housework.
If Black men want to do something with their hands, let them learn a trade and learn how to fight instead of doing women's work.
Cooking in a resturant is acceptable, but cooking for the family is not in my opinion.
Just another excuse to blur the line between the sexes, then the children grow up confused not knowing what their proper responsibilities are.
I guess I'm just old fashioned but I believe everybody has a role to play.
Some of our ancestors would flip over in their graves to see what kind of mess we've become when the men are fumbling around in the kitchen with an apron and high-heels on while the woman is out clubbing or bringing home the bread.
They'd raise up out of the grave and slap you with a boney hand.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 00:19 |
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@Efengee
Ok so your a stickler for food hygene. It would be easier to cook for a Nyabingi man than for you.
Dont lie though you would like the idea of a guy cooking for you. And there must be alot of wanga gut women out there. But Ill let you into a secret. The success rate is mostly with the women straight from Africa or parentage as many have not tasted Jamaican food in particular../if I tell a sister soup is on the menu then its all over,
And remember a nuh everting good fi eat good fi talk.
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Well if you dont have a women cooking for you looks like you will starve then. Bro doing physical work is a poor excuse. many man in the caribbean have their women at home but still meet up and cook some food/ after hard physical work/ man I know brothers where maybe 6 or 7 meet up at the house and the youth is the resident chef. You expect big man to be drinking beer/ smoking strong weed and full their belly on chicken and chips?!! Get outta here. many have dinner to go home to later on.. but food is food..and it cant be compromised.
If a man dont know how to cook then a man cant fuel his own body. Basic human skills. Where Im from men take great pride in their ability to cook and exercise it communually as well. Let me extend it further. Every black man should be able to have the ability for survival and should be able to provide himself with nutritious tasteful food and not rely on a tight relationship with a women to whether he has a good meal or not. Its backward thinking like that that keep many mature brothers and younger tied to their mother's apron strings and living at home at 35 because they cant cook /clean up after themselves/ or take the first women available that will wipe their arses for them.
Not good.
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 00:22 |
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hey thats your opinion and you have a right to it. I am very traditional and the head of my home. My wife doesnt make more than I , nor does she go out to a club.
I cook because I enjoy it, and I dont do it as a chore. all these men who wear earrings, dancing like women, talking on cellphones, wearing feminine style clothing and laying up in the house while their women go to work-now thats what you have to contend with.
black men have been cooking for generations, but if you dont thats cool to.
i work with my hands when I am not working 9-5 M-F. I have worked on ranches, on the Texas highway department, as a backwoods guide, build my home camp,
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 00:55 |
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Oh, you're still in the University?
Damn man, you must be going for your doctorate's degree...lol...
Im only 25 my friend and I started late because I was busy getting other qualifications first.
It's like that overhere too, I see just as many men who can cook as women and it's disturbing to me because the roles are so mangled.
I think you misunderstood me. What I mean is that EVERYONE should be able to cook. When I say I know as many men as women who can cook, Im ashamed of those who can NOT as opposed to those like me who can.
Shhh...(don't wanna cause any trouble)....But I think its the responsibility of our women and girls to LEARN how to properly cook wholesome and healthy meals for thier families rather than us realying on someone else to feed us.
You going on like cooking is sewing or knitting mittens or something. It's only making food for goodness sake! Yes I believe in male in female roles Omaar but not based along European models. You making it much bigger than it is.
I think you have a romanticised version of what traditional roles are LOL... it's not that polarised man. How you gonna bring it to 'men shouldn't cook' when IMO men make some of the best cooks. Just because Ainsley is camp and effete is doesn't mean cooking itself is.
Or I could mention a whole bunch of "manly" jobs and the village people LOL!
Cooking is simply cooking. I take pride in mine amigo
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Posted: Friday August 26th, 2005 01:47 |
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Well if you dont have a women cooking for you looks like you will starve then. Bro doing physical work is a poor excuse. many man in the caribbean have their women at home but still meet up and cook some food/ after hard physical work/ man I know brothers where maybe 6 or 7 meet up at the house and the youth is the resident chef. You expect big man to be drinking beer/ smoking strong weed and full their belly on chicken and chips?!! Get outta here. many have dinner to go home to later on.. but food is food..and it cant be compromised.
I do have a few women who'll cook for me every now and then when we get together but I'm not gonna starve because I eat out most of the time anyway.
You're right a lot of men cook for themselves but most of the men in the Caribbean who hold to their traditionalist values have women cooking for them.
They wouldn't have a woman around who couldn't or wouldn't cook for them and the children....you know that.
They cook because they WANT to, not because they HAVE to.
If a man dont know how to cook then a man cant fuel his own body. Basic human skills. Where Im from men take great pride in their ability to cook and exercise it communually as well. Let me extend it further. Every black man should be able to have the ability for survival and should be able to provide himself with nutritious tasteful food and not rely on a tight relationship with a women to whether he has a good meal or not. Its backward thinking like that that keep many mature brothers and younger tied to their mother's apron strings and living at home at 35 because they cant cook /clean up after themselves/ or take the first women available that will wipe their arses for them.
Are you calling the ways of our ancestors and are traditions that you constantly promote....are you calling them backwards.
For untold generations it has been the woman's responsibility to cook, clean, and maintain the household and this was the case among Black families in Africa as well as the Caribbean and America.
They got along just fine.
The only thing that changed it was the 50s and the feminist movement started by white people who destroyed the Black family.
If it weren't for them, our women would still be doing that and the men would still be the primary bread winners.
It's not about survival....let us get out of animalistic survival mode and into civilization and culture.
Everyone has a role to play.
A good wife/woman IS supposed to be like a mother to her man.
Tuck
black men have been cooking for generations, but if you dont thats cool to.
I know, because they've had to.
Our roles have been reversed and Black men had to do a lot of thing they ought not have done.
Drunk
I agree that men are some of the best cooks but cooking for a resturant is one thing; cooking for your family and taking care of them is something entirely different.
I don't have a problem with black men cooking because they want to, it's when they start cooking because they HAVE TO the problem arises.
But this thread wasn't intended to be about me cooking or whether or not men should cook.
It's about why we're so dependant on others to grow our food and cook for us.
Hell, with all these men claiming to be such good cooks...I should see more Black resturants and Buffets in the community and more self sufficiency than I'm seeing.
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Posted: Saturday August 27th, 2005 16:12 |
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Today it is more than vital to know how to cook you simply can not trust food from any other source than your own cooked meal. My mother made sure everyone in our family can cook just like her mother did.
Most men in the caribbean can cook they do not rely on a women to cook for them and many first generation born in the uk will have the same standards this is concrete teachings from their parents.
Can't speak for everyone, but my family knows the importance of cooking for yourself.
Big up BlackMatta that comment is so true
@Omaar
To answer your question yes many blacks are getting lazy with cooking over here in UK. I often wonder what many black people would do if the chicken takeaways were to close down tomorrow.
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Posted: Saturday August 27th, 2005 16:40 |
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To answer your question yes many blacks are getting lazy with cooking over here in UK. I often wonder what many black people would do if the chicken takeaways were to close down tomorrow.
They'd probably probably starve to death because we live such anti-social and unskilled lives.
I don't know about the UK but I run into a lot of AfroAmericans who claim they can cook and dish up this-that-and the other on the internet as well as real life....I don't know where they're hiding out at because most of the people around my age eat out just as much as I do.
Just like the shopping malls overhere, even the ones in all white neighborhoods, are packed with Black folks buying and buying; the Chinese, Mexican, Arab, and other resturants are packed with Black folks too.
Arizona is only about 5% Black, but every Red Lobster I go to around here is full of Black families and couples with napkins tucked under thier chins cracking open crab-legs and squirting juice all over the place.
The way we love to eat, not only should we be learning to cook for ourselves we should also be growing our own food and raising our own livestock.
That's why I say we need to start being a race of PRODUCERS rather than CONSUMERS, that way we not only become independant.....but other's will begin to depend on our services.
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