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Posted: Friday January 2nd, 2004 09:02 |
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Another fried chicken shop has recently opened in my local high street making a grand total of seven within not even a mile of each other. There is seemingly a demand for this food, but why are we eating this mass produced rubbish. They market is as ‘chicken' but is it really? I read somewhere that KFC could not call themselves ‘kentucky Fried Chicken' because in doing this they would be breaking a law because their chicken was not in fact chicken, but headless, featherless things that were being kept alive via the use of wires and stuff. Now whether this is true or not, you have to wonder how they can afford to sell their crap so cheap. As I passed this new chicken shop, A black female stepped out, she was with a young boy who appeared no older than five. The boy clutched his box of Fried chicken as if it were the best meal ever. I think we really need to think more about what we are eating and what our children are eating, this fast food diet that we have adopted could potentially lead to our downfall. I saw a BBC documentary, which told that in order to cull the black population in South Africa, drugs were put in biscuits and given to the female population under the pretence that they were offering sustinance to poor families. These biscuits were reputed to have made a large amount of females sterile. Do we really know what we are eating
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Posted: Saturday January 3rd, 2004 06:30 |
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@Maecer
Well said well said ......I have said it over and over again on forums leave the junk food cr*p alone its frying up the brain cells. The high road wouldn't be a certain London Road in South London because when I recently passed through there I think it deserves the title of Junk Food city chicken take away shops literally next door to each other all competing for business and who can sell the cheapest plate of cr*p.
Btw you are correct about KFC they had to take the chicken out of their name because a bird with a extra wing growing on its chest and maybe a third leg probably growing out of its arse is not a chicken. Imagine and we have the cheek to laugh at the 3 eye fishes in portrayed in The Simpsons cartoon but do not bat an eyelid about eating 3 legged and 3 winged chickens.
Anyway you know what they say if you want to kill us off mess around with the chicken the majority of us can not do without the chicken.
Talking of chicken I wonder how our American cousins are coping with the beautiful xmas present that go delivered to them from UK in form of Mad Cow Disease.
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Posted: Monday January 5th, 2004 11:18 |
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Maecer:
Black folks eat this Kentucky Fried "crap" for the same reason we tend to fill up other fast food joints as well as Shish-Kabob, Chinese Food and other resturants to be fed by people of other races and ethnicities..
Because we HAVE TO!!!
Most of the people who SHOULD be cooking their families nice good decent wholesome meals see cooking as an insult. They'd rather spend their time on the phone, shopping, or going to clubs to dance the night away.
It's a shame that the world's best cooks have gotten to the point to where we're now too damn lazy to even feed outselves and babies. We'd rather run off to the Chinese place or Mc Devils and let THEM feed us while we carry on playing the role of the fool.
Not only have we become to lazy to GROW our own food and have abandond the farms and crops we had generations ago...now we've even stopped COOKING for ourselves.
Mafdet:
Talking of chicken I wonder how our American cousins are coping with the beautiful xmas present that go delivered to them from UK in form of Mad Cow Disease.
Oh is THAT the reason you still haven't made good on the Ox-tail soup and seasoned rice plate you promised me a year ago???
 And here I was thinking you had a problem cooking for black American men because of our superior dance skills and raw magnetism.
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Posted: Tuesday January 6th, 2004 10:22 |
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Maecer:
Black folks eat this Kentucky Fried "crap" for the same reason we tend to fill up other fast food joints as well as Shish-Kabob, Chinese Food and other resturants to be fed by people of other races and ethnicities..
Because we HAVE TO!!!
No you don't have to Kareem please explain this notion to me.
Most of the people who SHOULD be cooking their families nice good decent wholesome meals see cooking as an insult. They'd rather spend their time on the phone, shopping, or going to clubs to dance the night away.
Sounds like you solely talking about women/mother/wife here so what about the single men why don't they cook good food for themselves.
It's a shame that the world's best cooks have gotten to the point to where we're now too damn lazy to even feed outselves and babies. We'd rather run off to the Chinese place or Mc Devils and let THEM feed us while we carry on playing the role of the fool.
Not only have we become to lazy to GROW our own food and have abandond the farms and crops we had generations ago...now we've even stopped COOKING for ourselves.
So to conclude it sounds once again that it boils down to CHOICE.
Mafdet:
Talking of chicken I wonder how our American cousins are coping with the beautiful xmas present that go delivered to them from UK in form of Mad Cow Disease.
Oh is THAT the reason you still haven't made good on the Ox-tail soup and seasoned rice plate you promised me a year ago???
Did I promise you that if so did you get it in writing 
And here I was thinking you had a problem cooking for black American men because of our superior dance skills and raw magnetism.
See what I mean people what Mr Banks just wrote is a classic example that junk food just frys up the brain cells and leaves the victim to resort to writting utter junk 
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Posted: Tuesday January 6th, 2004 10:44 |
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So I guess that big scare they had a few years ago about KFC selling mutant chicken wasn't a rumour after all?
Anyway I don't see why I should pay £3.00 for some greasy fowl that's been dead for half a century when I can pay that same amount for 15 pieces of FRESH chicken from the market around the corner from where I live.
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Posted: Tuesday January 6th, 2004 11:39 |
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@PH
Nothing can be trusted nowadays did you know how many people have been prosecuted for re-selling chicken that has been declared for pet food onto the public for human consumption. You must've seen all the programmes on the meat for pet food being bleached and cleaned up then re-packaged and sold to Major food stores for human comsumption, I know Tesco was one of the stores this chicken had been sold to. Also don't think red meat is safe as well so many illegal slaughter houses have been found that has been slaughtering animals in unhygenic surrounding and do not have any proper equipment for slaughter. Just one man in a barn hacking away at these animals and it gets worst the animals do not have the government stamp to stay they have passed the test as meat fit to eat.
On a lighter note how is your allotment and when you get it treasure it for it may be your own grown veg that is the fine line between your good health and bad health.
@All
I remember a friend of mine at evening classes told me to never eat from those chicken takeaway shops as he worked in one during the day and said the chicken when unloading from the vans goes straight into the flour and spices for coating they are not even washed or cleaned.
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Posted: Tuesday January 6th, 2004 18:20 |
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This really wouldn’t surprise me – We have a canteen at work I have seen the cook take the chicken from the box it was delivered in – dip it into the flour, then straight in to the oil – as you can imagine anything lurking on that chicken is fried with the chicken to add that extra bit of flavour.
On the KFC side of things I NEVER eat that rubbish neither wilI I be feeding it to my children or in fact any other type of fast food. When I was growing the closest thing to fast food to my recollection, was Wimpy and I remember that it was treat for me and my sisters to go there for our birthdays (aaaaahhh we were poor!) on the menu was fried eggs, sausages and chips followed by knicker-bocker-glory! Yummy!
My father was a baker and we kids spent many a Saturday moulding and shaping dough in obscure shapes.
Whem McDonalds first opened in my high street my mother thankfully scorned it and would never allow us to eat there and being the obedient children that we were, we never did (well not so that she would find out!)
Anyway, the bottom line is, parents need to educate their children, take them back to basics in the kitchen. Let them see food properly prepared. Teach them how to cook and bake and how to ENJOY the kitchen. Teach them about herbs and spices. Teach them to buy fresh produce and to be aware of the ingredients in processed foods. As a result of my mother and fathers input I enjoy cooking and baking, I’m not the world’s greatest, but I enjoy it! I hope my daughter (who is 18 months) will share my love. Children are naturally inquisitive, without them even realising it, we will be giving them the tools to a healthy lifestyle.
Don’t mean to preach but this is something that I feel very passionate about!
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Posted: Thursday January 8th, 2004 07:35 |
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Prince Hakeem:
Anyway I don't see why I should pay £3.00 for some greasy fowl that's been dead for half a century when I can pay that same amount for 15 pieces of FRESH chicken from the market around the corner from where I live.
 Are you talking about "chicken" or "chicks"???
Mafdet:
Also don't think red meat is safe as well so many illegal slaughter houses have been found that has been slaughtering animals in unhygenic surrounding and do not have any proper equipment for slaughter. Just one man in a barn hacking away at these animals and it gets worst the animals do not have the government stamp to stay they have passed the test as meat fit to eat.
I used to work in a sausage making slaugherhouse so I know how most of these places operate.
You basically chase the poor bastids around the place banging them in the head until they drop...releasing all types of adrenaline and toxins in the meat.
 No sophistication or regulation what so ever on how they're killed.
Ethos:
Anyway, the bottom line is, parents need to educate their children, take them back to basics in the kitchen. Let them see food properly prepared. Teach them how to cook and bake and how to ENJOY the kitchen. Teach them about herbs and spices. Teach them to buy fresh produce and to be aware of the ingredients in processed foods. As a result of my mother and fathers input I enjoy cooking and baking, I’m not the world’s greatest, but I enjoy it! I hope my daughter (who is 18 months) will share my love. Children are naturally inquisitive, without them even realising it, we will be giving them the tools to a healthy lifestyle.
Don’t mean to preach but this is something that I feel very passionate about!
God bless you for that babe! 
You need to change your name from Ethos to "Ethics".
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Posted: Thursday January 8th, 2004 08:12 |
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| Unfortunately we live in a world where the majority of people DO NOT WANT TO KNOW how their fast food comes about - just that it's available! I stopped all of that greasy nastiness a long time ago but there are some seriously intriguing publications regarding this issue. You first port of call should be 'Fast Food Nation' by Eric Schlosser. This book is very interesting reading and will change your whole outlook of the fast food industry FOREVER. Just to give you and idea how the fast food industry works.....in colleges in the USA, Coke vending machines are in every corridor, large sums of funding are taken away from colleges if the machines are asked to be removed!!! IT IT BIG BUSINESS!!!
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Posted: Thursday January 8th, 2004 12:54 |
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ethos wrote:
Anyway, the bottom line is, parents need to educate their children, take them back to basics in the kitchen. Let them see food properly prepared. Teach them how to cook and bake and how to ENJOY the kitchen. Teach them about herbs and spices. Teach them to buy fresh produce and to be aware of the ingredients in processed foods. As a result of my mother and fathers input I enjoy cooking and baking, I'm not the world's greatest, but I enjoy it! I hope my daughter (who is 18 months) will share my love. Children are naturally inquisitive, without them even realising it, we will be giving them the tools to a healthy lifestyle.
Don't mean to preach but this is something that I feel very passionate about!
@Ethos
Have mercy   true words for you are not alone and as for your mother remember her words and ways as they will become crucial in the survival challenge no doubt. Preach on preach on sister!!!!
@Mr Banks
I don't doubt your words or what your eyes have seen for a second all that I wrote on up there is mainly based on programmes I have watched so you can imagine the parts that they do not want us to know. Meat has been analysised and found to be containing traces of pork and this is meat that has been labelled Halal.....now thats down right  Over here most of the meat markets are owned by Asians but the worrying thing is the buyers are 90% African/Caribbean you do not see any Asians buying meat from these places. Its like that old saying if you don't see a china man sitting down eating from that Chinese restaurant then you should question the quality of the food..............Right. But the alarming rate of cheap fried chicken places to be opened up is frightening....all run by Asians again most customers African/Caribbean AGAIN.
See what happens when you eat this rubbish it fries up your brain...I mean just look at that post by Michael Yarrow up there.....this is a perfect example of someone consuming far too much fried chicken its done fried up his brain cells he don't know where he is or who he is aiming his post at or why. Now what kind of PSYCHIC didn't realise he is in an unrelated topic thread huh talking about bridal wear and all that.
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Posted: Friday January 9th, 2004 07:50 |
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@ Ethos and Mafdet I agree with you both entirely.
Can I just add a further point. I am also very aware of the additives, preservatives etc. etc. in processed food, and have undertaken to feed myself and family healthily. (ie buying as fresh as I can) The problem is that food manufactures LIE. (or try to baffle the consumer with science) when you think you are buying something healthy the small print says something different. This confusion makes healthy eating extremely difficult. I have recently taken to buying organic products but even this is sometimes baffling, Tescos has a section which is dedicated to organic products and I have spent ages reading the labels on boxes, cans and bottles. My question, which no-one has been able to answer is, If organic food is supposed to be free from artificial preservatives, then how can it be stored in tins? I know some items, such as beans are preserved in fruit juice. Does anyone know the guidelines necessary in order to call a product 'Organic' ?
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Posted: Friday January 9th, 2004 12:14 |
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To Maecer:
Go to http://www.organicfood.co.uk, I just quickly went through it so u should find the answer to ur question there, and it also mentions organic chicken.
Personally I don't eat chicken, stopped years ago, and I don't eat meat either. When I tell people that, they say I can't be black cos I don't eat chicken, just as well I don't innit!
Well all I got to say is u don't hear people talking about mad fish disease or a cloned fish called Wanda!
But on the real we need to watch everyting we put in our mouths, not just chicken. This generation is more prone to getting tings like diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease etc and remember that saying "u are what u eat". I for one don't wanna be looking like dem people on fat city!
 
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Posted: Friday January 9th, 2004 18:10 |
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Boy you guys need to get a life. You have choices. If you dont trust the meat you eat then what about everthing else, lets face it how many people die of eating dodgey food compared to say smoking fags (which we can stop if we want). If you are sensible about how you buy your food then you will be fine eg when you buy chicken - BUY A CHICKEN - not peices, then at least there is a fair chance that you are eating a chicken. Examine the meat for discolouring, brusing, fat colour etc. Do some simple reading about food hygine etc. Stop this childish, sensless, wind bagging and get on with your lives..
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Posted: Friday January 9th, 2004 18:23 |
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'Stop this childish, sensless, wind bagging and get on with your lives.. '
If you are not interested in the subject matter - then just ignore it. Just because you blindly scoff crap that the industries spew out does not mean that those who are concerned are childish, senseless wind bags. Thankyou
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Posted: Friday January 9th, 2004 19:54 |
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@Maecer and Facetygal
@GeeDee
Now only a fool would be stupid enough to think that all these contaminated food came in pieces, some of them are WHOLE CHICKENS baby that are only fit for animal consumption and people have bleached them and re-distributed them into shop/supermarkets. Now sweety when you buy your red meat do you really believe it is that colour naturally and some form of dying process has not been added to make it look healthier (and not old and discoloured) and redder to YOUR blinded eyes.
But you continue to do as you do for there is a saying...."IF YOU DON'T THE MESSAGE THEN IT WASN'T MEANT FOR YOU".....get it. So enjoy to your hearts content but remember to ask before you buy the following..........
Erm scuse me sa is dat real pork cos I's only eat real pork 
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Posted: Saturday January 10th, 2004 18:20 |
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Another fried chicken shop has recently opened in my local high street making a grand total of seven within not even a mile of each other. There is seemingly a demand for this food, but why are we eating this mass produced rubbish. They market is as ‘chicken’ but is it really? I read somewhere that KFC could not call themselves ‘kentucky Fried Chicken’ because in doing this they would be breaking a law because their chicken was not in fact chicken, but headless, featherless things that were being kept alive via the use of wires and stuff. Now whether this is true or not, you have to wonder how they can afford to sell their crap so cheap. As I passed this new chicken shop, A black female stepped out, she was with a young boy who appeared no older than five. The boy clutched his box of Fried chicken as if it were the best meal ever. I think we really need to think more about what we are eating and what our children are eating, this fast food diet that we have adopted could potentially lead to our downfall. I saw a BBC documentary, which told that in order to cull the black population in South Africa, drugs were put in biscuits and given to the female population under the pretence that they were offering sustinance to poor families. These biscuits were reputed to have made a large amount of females sterile. Do we really know what we are eating
I'M GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY BROUGHT THAT UP -ITS A SERIOUS ISSUE
I've been saying that for years to people, only to get a weird blank look back. Too many things going on.
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Posted: Sunday January 11th, 2004 06:49 |
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Did n e body hear that rumour about KFC putting some stuff in their chicken that assists black men in becoming impotent?
Also, McDonalds fries are not potato, they r a form of wheat. Some girl at my uni is reading that ''fast food nation'' book-i THINK she got it from there (cant really remember).
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Posted: Sunday January 11th, 2004 07:23 |
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Black beauty wrote: Did n e body hear that rumour about KFC putting some stuff in their chicken that assists black men in becoming impotent?
Where did that rumour come from? Sounds like the South African saga all over again!!
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Posted: Sunday January 11th, 2004 07:42 |
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Make of this what you will
One of the Latest Urban Myths
© Copyright 2000 by Bob and Gretchen Passantino
It started with a few e-mails from around the country. Then came a couple of phone calls. We mentioned it at one of our classes and nearly everyone nodded in recognition. When we received a forwarded e-mail from a major ministry leader with the cryptic message “Real warning or urban myth? Skeptical minds want to know,” we knew we had a candidate for “urban myth of the month.” There was only one small problem. Although it bore all the earmarks of an urban myth, we hadn’t actually checked it out. What if it were true? We couldn’t take responsibility for dismissing any story, no matter how improbable it seemed, without checking it out. After all, we encourage others to conduct responsible research, to question their presuppositions, and to go to the source. We needed to be just as responsible.
“Urban myth” is a term used to describe an apocryphal – and actually false – story that plays on a general assumption or feeling shared by many, usually of fear or distrust, and that usually claims to expose a public danger. Some address general population fears, such as the one about flashing your high beams being a gang signal that will result in your car being sprayed by automatic weapons fire. Some address the fears of a particular subgroup, like the one about atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair petitioning the FCC to ban Christian broadcasting. Others involve celebrities, such as the one about the tough-looking male star (Robert De Niro, Puff Daddy, etc.) and his Dobermans (Rottweilers, Shepherds, Pit Bulls, etc.) entering a posh hotel elevator in which are two timid old ladies who fail to recognize him. The star shouts, “Down!” and the two little old ladies dive for the floor and throw him their purses before they realize he is telling his dogs to sit. Urban myths usually skirt the edge of believability. At first they appear to be plausible and they usually come with some sort of official endorsement (the FCC, the local police department, the Washington Post, etc.). Only when one thinks carefully about the details or tries to verify the story does it fall apart. For example, there is the story brought to one of our classes by an agnostic about why Kentucky Fried Chicken changed its name to KFC. Supposedly, the chicken giant had developed a more efficient way of growing and harvesting chicken meat by genetically engineering its chickens to be born without heads so that the bodies could be hooked up directly to mechanical tubes, sensors, and power supplies to automatically feed them the optimum diet in the smallest amount of space. Of course, the FDA realized that headless chickens were no chickens at all and so ordered Kentucky Fried Chicken to eliminate the word “chicken” from its name. But wait a minute – Isn’t a headless chicken still a chicken? And how could it be more cost effective to raise techno-chickens dependent on complex machinery than normal chickens dependent on feed? And why do the menu items and television ads still use the word “chicken”? And why in the world didn’t the FDA object to KFC advertising “chicken fingers”? (In fact, the name change was a marketing decision in part designed to divert attention from “fried” food.)
The myth with which we were currently concerned allegedly came from “Captain Abraham Sands of the Jacksonville, Florida Police Department.” Supposedly he was asked by “state and local authorities” to make a public email concerning a “dangerous prank” that “is occurring in numerous states.” “Some person or persons have been affixing hypodermic needles to the underside of gas pump handles. These needles appear to be infected with HIV positive blood. In the Jacksonville area alone there have been 17 cases of people being stuck by these needles over the past five months.” The rest of the email gives other details and suggestions about reporting any incidents you encounter. It closes with the name, title, phone number and email address of State Bar official.
Why did we immediately suspect that the hypodermic/gas pump handle report was an urban myth? It bore a number of features that are commonly (but not exclusively) found in urban myths. First, it makes its initial appearance as a personal referral (via email or conversation) rather than in a mainstream public news source (such as ABC World News Tonight). Second, there is no referral to a mainstream news source for documentation. Third, while the e-mail purported to originate with a named police officer at a named department, no contact information is given about him. Fourth, the style of the message is inconsistent, some of it reading like a police report, some of it sounding like an article in the supermarket tabloid Weekly World News. Fifth, it depends on the vigilance of the individual gasoline consumer to discover the tampered handles rather than on public safety personnel or oil company staff. Sixth, while it gives specific numbers of individuals pricked and infected, it does not identify the source of the statistic and does not list the states in which the problem occurred. Seventh, there is no information on how the HIV virus can survive in an active form for an extended period of time outside a biological host. Eighth, “Captain Sands” gives blanket authorization for anyone receiving the email to pass it on to all of their email correspondents. Ninth, the danger is universal and involves a situation in which nearly everyone finds himself or herself on a regular basis (pumping gas). Tenth, the danger (HIV infection) has high media visibility, low public education levels, and high public fear. These are just some of the reasons that initially caused us to doubt the story.
It didn’t take long for us to check the story out. We asked directory assistance for the Jacksonville police department and discovered that both the police and the sheriff’s departments are united into one force. We contacted both the community affairs office and Harry Reagan, the public information officer (904.630.2120). There is no employee of the Jacksonville force named “Abraham Sands.” The report did not originate with them, is actually an evolved form of an urban legend that first appeared three or four years ago, and has absolutely no law enforcement substantiation. In other words, they are unaware of a single verified case anywhere in the nation. The urban legend was exposed by the Jacksonville Times Union. We also checked news archives via the Internet (Lexus and other sites) and were unable to find a single verified case, although we found a couple of other versions of the story reported as urban legends. Finally, we contacted the state bar official listed at the bottom of the e-mail. Tobia E. Cuney (919.828.4620, x 227) was frustrated. He had nothing to do with the story, had not sent it to anyone, had no idea where it had come from, and had never heard of any actual incident such as that. Conclusively, this story is an urban legend and has no basis in fact.
Aside from cluttering our email boxes and wasting paper, are there any other ramifications from such “harmless” scare stories? Yes. First, Christians serve the God of truth (Is. 65:16) and the One who claimed to be the truth (John 14:6). We should never be party to perpetuating falsehoods. Second, people are needlessly scared and their daily lives are impacted by false stories. Third, as the community affairs office explained, until it was discovered that the Jacksonville force did not start the story, the integrity and professionalism of the office was compromised and the community’s confidence in the force was diminished. Fourth, those who are especially vulnerable or fearful, such as the elderly, must be treated with care and extended time by law enforcers whose time should otherwise be occupied by crime fighting and public safety issues. Fifth, the drain on law enforcement time becomes considerable when stories like this cross the country and are repeated by thousands or millions of unsuspecting people. (The community affairs representative said she alone had fielded more than 300 calls regarding this story.)
There are thousands of urban legends circulating on the Internet and by word of mouth. As Christians we are commanded to “test all things” (1 Thess. 5:21-22). We cannot afford to associate with false stories that discredit our trustworthiness as bearers of the truth of the gospel found in Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4). Be a good researcher and critical thinker. Don’t fall for urban legends.
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Posted: Monday January 12th, 2004 01:45 |
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A very good entry - but how can we be sure what is an urban myth and what is not? - Headless chickens or not, this is still not taking away from the fact that this food is unhealthy junk!
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Posted: Monday January 12th, 2004 02:22 |
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Good to see people are on point and have raised these issues which do affect out people,I know plenty people who feel know way to hit the nearest chicken 'joint', I have been vegetarian before but found it very hard to keep up also,very expensive if you like variety.
I now eat very little chicken, occasionally red meat , usually lamb end off
Most of my diet is vegetarian though, but the main thing people like myself quaetion is who can being vegetarian , make up for the loss in essential properties contained in red meat, even though now the thought of a dead animal as in just being a dead life form Really!! puts me off.
But me myslef as a 'partial' meat eater I would clearly applaud people avoiding KFC,Mc'f**krey'sand Burger stink,EVEN though their meat is fillets and flame grilled which I find and trust more and left with a choice I'd probably hit there, but for the most part if ts not freshly prepared like some of the small chain sandwich bars NOT pret 'a 'menger,Sub way(who I have had a stomach upset from????? whats a man to do)... there are some decent ones but as you can see they have escaped me ,but on the real I am definetly looking to cut back further on the red stuff.
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Posted: Tuesday January 13th, 2004 19:52 |
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