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Posted: Tuesday September 7th, 2004 15:58 |
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Greetings Everyone,
I wasn't too sure where to put this but anyway....
We have spoken a lot about the problems in our community and while I don’t think our views are to be ignored, I wondered what are we actively doing in and for our community to change these things around?
- Are you or do you know people actively making a change in our community? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a big £million project or anything. Simple things can be a lot more effective than complicated ones.
- Do you want to make a change but perhaps are not sure where to start? If so, between us here, we can maybe bounce some ideas to get started.
- If you are not in a position to make a direct change right now, do you have any ideas that maybe someone who is in such a position can act on?
Now is a good time to show that we are breaking the mould and making positive changes amongst us, contrary to what too many are being led to believe.
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Posted: Tuesday September 7th, 2004 16:35 |
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Maat this is a very good topic. 
I myself want to hear some Ideas....I've got some, but I am sure that it's not relevant to what you are thinking at the moment...my ideas are a total diferent kettle of fish.
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Posted: Tuesday September 7th, 2004 16:45 |
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From another topic Maat
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something is always better than nothing..why not start an action group from this village?
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Lots of ideas and issues to be discussed first brother.
What action would we take? There are many of us and it might be hard to find a common consensus on which issues we would like to tackle.
How would the decision making process happen? How would we make sense of all these issues and things to do and decide on action? How do we reslove conflict among ourselves? Who would we trust to be in charge? And who would we trust to make things happen?
Money. How would we set up a secure method of collecting money? It would have to be a steady constant amount in total so that things can be properly planned in advance and followed through. How much from each member is enough but not too much for them. Would asking the BN member for money scare them away?
Location? While the majority of BN members are in London, its not a big majority and there are many members all over the UK or for that matter all over the world. Where would our concerns be focussed?
So I think we need to wrok these things out first.
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Posted: Tuesday September 7th, 2004 17:27 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: From another topic Maat
Coltrane said
something is always better than nothing..why not start an action group from this village?
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Lots of ideas and issues to be discussed first brother.
What action would we take? There are many of us and it might be hard to find a common consensus on which issues we would like to tackle.
Point taken DM but as we have a governing body so to speak, which is you MODS either (a) you draw up a list & lets say we pick the strongest 3 out of 10 for (e.g) obviously done by a poll/vote or (b) we us ordinary folk (non MODS) make suggestions & then we again pick, as like in (a)..
How would the decision making process happen? How would we make sense of all these issues and things to do and decide on action? How do we reslove conflict among ourselves? Who would we trust to be in charge? And who would we trust to make things happen?
Well part of what you say l think l may have half answered that above..Of course some sort of process will have to be worked out..
Money. How would we set up a secure method of collecting money? It would have to be a steady constant amount in total so that things can be properly planned in advance and followed through. How much from each member is enough but not too much for them. Would asking the BN member for money scare them away?
If people REALLY want to help & make a difference this old chesnut will not be a stumbling block..Start cheap & cheerful say (e.g) £2..The set up hmmm 
Location? While the majority of BN members are in London, its not a big majority and there are many members all over the UK or for that matter all over the world. Where would our concerns be focussed?
Location wise as in most things start from your base camp, so if the majority is in London then start it here..Rotation can always come into it..Besides wont it be a thing 2 link up with folks, well some may think so & others not..As 4 the overseas contingent now that could be some decent trips for all invovled..
So I think we need to wrok these things out first.
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Posted: Tuesday September 7th, 2004 19:43 |
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A central money pot would be cool. In times of crisis it'd be nice to aide our own instead of waiting for Tarzan to come to the rescue. Guess the question is who would you trust with the corn - Ligali would be a dgood place to start but I guess their definition of what it is to be african would put too high a percentage off the idea
Every stable household should foster or adopy at least one African child currently under the care of the system. Bring back the days where a child was raised by the entire village/community and make an unwanted African feel like a member of the African family again....hmmm guess it depends what you mean by African
Limit the dependancy on television.
Stop buying cigarettes, alcohol and tabloid newspapers........hmmm getting a bit too unrealistic here ay
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Posted: Wednesday September 8th, 2004 14:03 |
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@JOHNCROW: Bring on the ideas bro there's no limit . The spell check just asked me if I meant Johny Cakes!! LMAO
@All: I was thinking more on the lines of proof that in our community, we are actively making changes. So if you are a social worker, tell us about your work. If you are into sport, are you using that for the benefit of our people? You don't need to tell us where you work but maybe our experience can help others coming up who are interested in that field with tips.
The idea of a village group sounds great and I'm up for that if it goes ahead. I can tell you what areas I can help in and take it from there but there's some good points made about trust, respect and money. If these things are not sorted from the off then it may not work. I also agree that all concerned have to be in agreement and that will have to be stuck to.
Then we would have to make sure business and friendships MUST be separated, if we start to expect a squeeze because of who we know and that person says well actually it can't work that way, we need to able to realize it's not YOU they disagree with it's how that decision benefits the business and the people it is intended for. Also, if you're in you need to be in no tag along business and let some carry others 
So anyway, back to proof. What are you doing or would like to do in our community?
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Posted: Friday September 10th, 2004 16:34 |
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well...its finally here
anyway maat pple here are not just about jockes and fun but its like a village where everyone has an opinion,on a personal level a while ago I am involved with couple of NGO'S in east africa and they range from setting up small cooperatives to clean and safe water though we have been struggling getting funds but a couple of organisations are helping these people who live below $2 a day,and I believe some here are doing the same ... in brief that how I am helping on external capacity.
Since this is a village and we have problems in our own backyard and these affect us in all aspects and I would imagine people can do anything as long as there is a will to do...look now our people in the carribean are in terrible state due to hurricanes and so on.
I think we might differ in ways of helping..thers might want to do something about the black lobby,others are commited pan africanists,some are into educating,sports and so on so if we as members of the black village want to make a change we need to start somewhere and to me money is the last of my worries...its always the willingness and what sort of projects are we willing to go for.
Funding:this isnt an issue at all..this governament have alot of money especially if lottery money was given to a poet who only writes when he is in a pub and drunk(he was given£5,000) why not a mentoring project to help inner city black children or those who want to set up after choool programme to help our kids? or a focus group to help the department of education in setting up a black history subject?
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| I GIVE LECTURES ON SEX EDUCATION AND CONDOMS TO BLACK CARIBEAN YOUTHS (ESPECIALLY GHETOO THINKING BLACK WOMEN) TWICE A WEEK THATS MY CONTRIBUTION.
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 01:54 |
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| your mom is one of the women i handed out condoms to.
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 02:01 |
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 08:30 |
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AfriCariBrit wrote: ThE TRAVELLAR wrote: I GIVE LECTURES ON SEX EDUCATION AND CONDOMS TO BLACK CARIBEAN YOUTHS (ESPECIALLY GHETOO THINKING BLACK WOMEN) TWICE A WEEK THATS MY CONTRIBUTION.
Damn shame no-one was able to teach your mama and pupa how fe use dem before they spawned you, but some people are jus too damn dumb and can't be taught, then again you probably don't know who ya pappy is...
...likkle clue... he's the one you call grandpa
Whether your joking or not, sometimes in places of obvious interest to others where a chance/change is trying to be made, why come in with something like the above..
Far to often black people like to mock undermine something positive, however big/small it may be, then we wonder why things can't be done & why we find it hard to get along..
@ The Traveller : If what your saying is true, well done..But on this occassion you didn't have to lower yourself to ACB's level as you gave positive input only for you to take a couple of steps back by putting down ACB in a negative way..Would it have not been better to put ACB down within a more positive way ..
However if for some unknown reason as l look through again you only really want to antagonise & disrupt things, it only makes you look stupid/silly & a fool, a person who only likes/wants to play games & someone who just wants to keep others down..
So if the response from ACB was in defence as opposed to an attack, then you duped me & in doing so l was wrong in attacking ACB..
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 12:45 |
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| LOL, WHAT A WORLD, IF THIS THING IS INSULTING TO ANY WOMAN HERE THEN SHE IS THE ABOVE AS I STATED, A GHETOO HOODRAT, THEY COME IN ALL FORMS, THERES THE 4O YR OLD LOSER WHO HAS SEVERAL CHILDREN WHY? BECOS OF BAD CHOICES THEY MADE IN LIFE HELL 20 YR OLDS NOWADAYS HAVE 5 CHILDREN FROM DIFFERENT MEN, I THINK AFRICRIBRIT IS ONE OF THEM, IF YOUR A MAN THEN YOUR JUST A REGULAR LOSER ANYWAY , ALL IM SAYING IS THAT ILL TRY MY BEST TO HELP THESE FEMALE HOODLUMS WHO OPEN WIDE THEIR LEGS AND THEN TURN AROUND AND BLAME MEN FOR GETING PREGNANT.
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 13:03 |
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Look at the above  where are all the peeps who acuse me of being white when I say anything positive about blacks, just look at the above where are you cowards now. I guess they only got strength for female.
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 13:11 |
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| LOLWTF DOES THAT MEAN, LOOK THIS DAFT STATEMENT YOU MADE , SO BECOS YOU PRAISE BLACKS DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICUSS BLACK ISSUES YOU BETTER FOCUS ON YOUR LIFE.
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 13:13 |
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| I'd be really grateful if people can get back on topic and remain on topic thanks...
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 13:21 |
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LOOK mr hole in the wall there are a million things I could splatter in your red hole right now but, I ain't even gonna mess up Maat's thread, cus I find this topic very relevant. Not that I fear the insect but you are dumb..dumber..dumbest
you are on ignore,
I do not want to seem as a dumbass as you are so cuss, spit and chat to yourself.
whatever your reply after this so a man sayeth so is he, so a man thinketh so are you, anything you reply IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE, SO CHAT TO YOURSELF YOU INVILID.
Good topic at Maat
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 13:27 |
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| Apology to Maat and Kunjufu I will stick to the topic and ignore anyone who is going around disrespecting other peeps.
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 13:36 |
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| There are a lot of institutional memories that have to be captured so you don't make mistakes. You also have to look at all logistical side of things.
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Posted: Sunday September 19th, 2004 15:15 |
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1 DAC (Diasporan African Committee)
Until we recognise ourselves as a race of people more then just a colour the following will be almost impossible to achieve where all major African groups devoid of religious persuasion or continental bias work together to achieve a common goal where begging for hand outs and equality are a thing of the past by taking what is rightfully ours.
2 Financial independence
Create a economical system within the Diaspora that will give us the bargaining power to be heard by anybody which will entail weekly donations of a reasonable amount for a sustained period of time say 1 year . Start at around £10 a week per head no gimmicks or get rich quick scheme’s just telling the people exactly how it is where the money will go and how it intends to be spent. (Lets live in cloud coocku land for a sec) 1m switched on Africans after the first month would create a bank balance of £40m and that’s with out the interest. Africans have probably spent 10 times more on the lottery over the years without receiving a thing in return.
3 Infiltrate Parliament
The unused African vote should be directed towards independent candidates who strictly have our own interest at heart with no compromises whatsoever and not for ‘black’ charlatan’s who rely strictly on the dysfunction of the African community in order to get paid. We select someone from the community who can keep there cool when under pressure and articulate themselves whenever necessary to take the fight the system.
4 Affluent African neighbourhoods
It’s a known fact that within the 'white' and 'yellow' communities 'blacks' have the tendency to bring the value of property down as they are deemed to be at the bottom of the class ladder. In the states they call it 'white flight' where white people flee to the suburbs when black people move into town. The yellow people have taken advantage of this, and from South hall they have almost manage to colonise most of the West and NW London suburbs from Ruislip to Wembley. Spreading right around the North circular to Walthamstow and then to Ilford down into Tower Hamlets across the city of London to Brick lane which were once white racist strongholds, to the point of the local councils having to change the road names where the foreign translation is printed along side the original in order to suit the immediate community. We should employ a similar tactic where through word of mouth for sale signs are ceased upon by other Africans looking to buy or let property in a particular area in order to kick start a similar cycle.
5 Security
Communities working together to out the evil doers among us who kill other Africans without a second thought in order to sustain their material greed. Even if it means having to create our own security force in conjunction with the police where we are given a certain leeway to deal with those in the community who we know are working for the devil, by targeting them covertly and to insure that key witness’s have the ultimate protection by the community whenever necessary.
6 Employment
Considering Africans (or so called minorities) make up over 75% of the cheap labour force an African workers union should be created where discriminatory treatment by oppressive employers are met with a withdrawal of labour across the board which would almost bring the country to a halt until any given situation is resolved. Mind u such a organisation would have to be covert, again through word of mouth as no legislation would ever be ratified to recognise such a workers group based on just ethnicity alone that’s what there excuse would be anyway.
7 Education
Apart from encouraging academically gifted Africans to join the teaching profession parents should make it there duty to be on the school board of governors in order to find a way of getting parts of the curriculum change to that of which will suit our children especially in predominantly African schools where children are alleged to be failing through lack of investment and interest, and at the same time keeping a check on rubbish teachers who are only in the job for the cash.
8 Community support schemes
Along with Saturday schools, places where single mothers with boisterous young males can bring there children to for support a sort of after school class type youth centre run by African men who will try and give them the balance needed to cope with a racist society who expects nothing better from them where there inner skills can be brought to the fore and their energy can be targeted in the right direction.
9 Business and entertainment
With number 2 in place the ability to create our own undiluted entertainment will be second to none as African writers, singers and actors will not have to beg for work in the European arena or comprise there skills in any way in order to get paid, as we will have the ability to fund our own theatres movies and TV programmes as well as independent record labels. Also managing to invest properly into our food and fashion industry while communicating and doing business with other African communities abroad whether in the Continent, America or the Caribbean.
10 Knowledge
Having the ability to trust and believe in ones self and the community as a whole. KNOW who u are and not succumb to the oppressive agenda that seeks to keep us down only then will it be possible to achieve any of the above.
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Posted: Sunday September 19th, 2004 20:18 |
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GOOD POST @ TWANG  .
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Posted: Monday September 20th, 2004 13:16 |
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a friend has started a flat letting agency and its a black owned and has got some good business from NHS nurses from Zimbabwe and Teachers from Kenya
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Posted: Monday September 20th, 2004 14:00 |
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There is need to politicize our people on mass. We will not be able to sustain Pan-Africanist policies when too many of our people do not understand or even agree that the need for political and economic power is fundamental in our struggle.
Workstudys need to be implemented as a primary tool for progress.
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