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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 17:19 |
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Ok guys, I'm planning to pack in my job and go to kingston for a couple of months (need to chill!). I just wnted to know if anyone else has been there for that length of time and what its like.
My mum has been over there since Dec 2006 and she says its nice but she's more into the spiritual side of things and is currently staying in Bobo Hill. She has already found accomodation out there for me so thats not a problem. If anyone has any info ill be glad for your input!
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 19:04 |
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| Why would u want to stay in that piss poor hell hole of ignorance
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 19:48 |
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lilsoulful1 wrote: Why would u want to stay in that piss poor hell hole of ignorance
So you've been there before right?
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 20:00 |
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i dont like downtown kingston, you get some really good bargains down there. all shops china china
uptown kingston is meant to be really nice though
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 20:04 |
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Thanks for your reply LadyDay. When did you go and how long did you stay for?
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 20:13 |
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 All shops chinaman. Yes my mum did tell me. I swear the're everywhere even when I went to Lisbon I swear a 1/5 of all shops I went into were chinese run! Still you cant knock the hustle.
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 16:37 |
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My dad went to Jamaica last year to sort out some stuff.
Indians everywhere.
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 16:48 |
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lilsoulful1 wrote: Why would u want to stay in that piss poor hell hole of ignorance
If somebody wanted to stay in a "piss poor hell hole of ignorance" they'd only have to spend time in your company for a day.
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Posted: Monday June 4th, 2007 22:35 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: lilsoulful1 wrote: Why would u want to stay in that piss poor hell hole of ignorance
If somebody wanted to stay in a "piss poor hell hole of ignorance" they'd only have to spend time in your company for a day.
sounds like her...her pum pum is piss poor and she hella ignorant....so the local whino tells me anyway.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 00:57 |
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Ignore lil soulfool, she has no sense...She claims any sunburned thing as black shes that foolish
I have just come back from Jamaica today...
Downtown Kingston, 'old kingston' is not in good state can't lie, people still cool though.
Uptown Kingston 'New kingston' is pretty nice accommodation is hella nice if you can get it but pretty pricey, I'm planning to live over there in 2- 4 years or so but yeah it hs some decent things to see go to 'mancipation park' if you can it is beautiful and see the HUGE African naked statues .
I would suggest you drive out there, or get someone to drive u about roads are rough but you will benfit in the end, they drive on the same side so it should be cool.
Busfare is cheap same price as taxi ( $50- per person) depending on how far you go but after a while it does becomes a drain on finances.
A poster who said alot of Indians and chinese...
That is true, seems to have been a great increase.
Jamaica is beautiful country and seems to be on the up just needs to continue to do so
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 09:31 |
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Thanks A-A-S. I'm definately gonna go now. But I think I'll wait 'til september because I'll need to save up a few more pennys cause I really want to enjoy it!
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Posted: Sunday June 17th, 2007 09:12 |
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The current social implosion in Jamaica
... today's disorder [is not] channelled through political processes informed by a vision of the future which is collectively shared. Rather, it is the spontaneous result of individualistic anti-social behaviour sanctioned by the morality of the free market that is more aptly described as a social implosion. (Michael Witter and Louis Lindsay, 1996: xxii)
There has long been a dialectic of cooperation and individualism in Jamaica, rooted in the plantation economy and the evolution of the post-Emancipation peasantry (Beckford, 1972; Weis, 2003). While the emergent peasantry of ex-slaves developed strong cooperative traditions as they carved out farms, roads and villages in the rugged interior after 1838, with virtually no support from the colonial state, the violent and hierarchical plantation system fomented a series of pervasive social pathologies, identified by Jamaican scholar George Beckford. These include such things as: the 'strong individualism that contributes more to clashes of interest in interpersonal relations than to co-operative activity'; the 'exploitative authoritarian tradition that prevents cooperative decision-making and associative productive effort'; and the tendency for the masses to emulate the ethics of those higher in the social order and aspire 'to a "great house" lifestyle with characteristic high propensities to consume imported luxuries and to invest in non-productive assets' (Beckford, 1972: 216-17).
The triumph of the market in Jamaica, especially when set on top of colonially-embedded scars and the shortage of opportunities, has intensified these social pathologies. That is, in the face of deepening disparities, the hegemonic politics and discourse of adjustment, competitiveness, and global market integration-the 'suffocation of ideological debate' discussed earlier-has exacerbated feelings of alienation whereby the social order is conceived as something to individually ascend rather than collectively struggle against. One manifestation of this shifting balance between cooperative and individualistic tendencies is in the widespread breakdown of mutual aid and cooperative labour traditions amongst the peasantry (Weis, 2003).
Non-governmental organisations have proliferated to fill various gaps left by the retreating state, such as in healthcare, education, skills training, and community projects, but most are apolitical and focused on charity rather than change, with narrow and short-term targets (often shaped by funding pressures) as opposed to education and organising around the structural foundations of these problems (Tracy, 2001). One prominent citizens' organisation, Jamaicans for Justice, has emerged to challenge police violence, but it is generally perceived to be 'uptown' or middle class, with a limited definition of human rights (sans social justice).
Collectively, churches have the loudest voice in civil society, though most avoid political economic commentary (ADA, 1999) and, as in other parts of Latin America and the Caribbean, the spread of evangelical Christianity and the wane of liberation theology have encouraged acquiescence with social inequities.
In the absence of constructive channels, frustration and alienation have produced a violent backlash: not against structures of privilege and injustice, as occurred in the past, but with implosive dynamics, increasingly turned 'inward within families, neighbourhoods, communities, and other primary social groups' (Witter, 1996: 192). This anti-social behaviour is a pervasive aspect of life in contemporary Jamaica, especially in Kingston, home to 40 per cent of the population.
The evolution of Jamaica's tourism industry further reflects efforts to contain rather than address social problems (which the nature of the industry has no small part in cultivating, magnifying hierarchies between race, class, and nations). To insulate visitors from pushy merchants, assaults and ugly social disparities, a few Jamaican moguls pioneered the gated compound (or 'all-inclusive') resort model, which now accounts for two-thirds of all hotel rooms in the country. While these gluttonous, Americanised playgrounds for wealthy foreigners dominate the most beautiful coastlines, ordinary Jamaicans have limited public space for recreation.23 The physical segregation between classes within Jamaica is equally stark, with huge, fortified mansions perched on Kingston's hillsides overlooking the squalid slums below
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