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Posted: Monday January 16th, 2006 13:39 |
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O.K here it goes...
moved in to this flat 4 years ago and most the neighbours are cool exept the guy next door to me...
2 weeks after I moved in he started tying small bags of rubbish to my boor knocker while I was out..... I know it was him cos I faked going out one time and crept bback upstairs and actually watched him do it... Now you know how I get down I stepped to him straight and explained this sh*t had to stop...which id did instantly...
he never spoke again since that day but in the past for years...hes blamed us (my famo) for everything from the ganarges getting sprayed to a beer can on the floor...Thearend to call the police on my 3yrs old son YES A 3 YEAR OLD!! cos he said the noise of my son playing was scarring his mother LOL... whenever we are outside for longer than a few minits he comes and stands on his door step like hes on sentry duty, arms crossed and screwface like he can do me something.............eedyat...
Anyway last night he came round and compalined about the music..which is not loud but can be heard I told him to piss off from my door and he said in no uncertain termes that he was actually gonna attempt to get us out by any means necessary...
Now hes already tried calling the people about my music they came and tested it and told his its not loud enough to warrant a complaint....just normal noise for neighbours with not to thick walls..
Anyway just wanted to know what steps I can take to cover my back as this guys probably gonna spill a few lied to try get us dashed out...or should I juist chill..
hit me back..
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Posted: Monday January 16th, 2006 14:39 |
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Black power: you're not going to like this response..but here goes..
CRE Link
Birmingham link
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Useful links that may or may not help...
BP: I say this time and time again, it is vital when we dealing with people who are racist or whose behaviour can be interpreted as racist.. to be PROACTIVE, PROACTIVE, PROACTIVE..
That means from the get go it is vital to collate, record and store evidence either to prove their guilt or better still to prove your innocence if shove comes to push.. What we must not do in such circumstances is REACT in a way that detracts the heat the attention away from their behaviour.... This is not about turning cheeks, or about being a p***y or about appeasing their behaviour..Its about recognising that whilst venting your spleen may make you feel better... in the long term failure to record and document the racist attrocities will utimately come back and bite you in the bum big time...
The problem BP, as you may or may not find out is that racist maybe arseholes, but they learn bloody quickly, so once you expose them in one area they will comeback with another strategy to Mess you up...
So although I personally believe you may have case, the facts are he may well have more of a case against you, than you against him... Assuming that your home is either Housing association or council run.. My advice would be to check the conditions of your tenancy.. Because I'm fairly sure that all mordern tenancies has a clause giving the landlord the right to evict you if you proved to be the cause of neighbour disputes..or if you threaten people...
In such cases where YOU are evicted from your tenancy, you will be deemed to be intentionally homeless and the council is not oblighed to rehouse, they may at a stretch rehouse your partner and your son, but not you and even then that might be at a B &B..
More worryingly this man if he is clever, may already be storing up enough evidence to implement an ASBO against you...,This by default can prevent you playing your hifi, or prevent YOU from living at that address.. remember the threshold for enacted an ASBO is very low, (INTENTIONALLY).. I think if he goes for it he could get one, because you 'threaten' him, because you have caused a 'nuisance' with your music, that prevents him enjoying his home.
Now whilst his behaviour is without a doubt racially motivated, trying to prove it on hearsay and no other evidence will be to put it bluntly hard..Therefore you must at least do the following...
Do not get into any conversations with this man on your doorstep, especially do not swear, threaten or abuse him..no matter how tempting it may feel.. Record how often he comes around and his tone and do nothing else but politely say you'll look into it thank and goodbye.. I don't even care if he call you the N word.. record and do not respond to the muppet..
Do record every instance where he has unjustly complained about you, if possible get a copy of the outcome from Environmenmt dept who dealt with the noise complaint. If you remember the dates 4 years ago, you should record these and the number of occurances you described and the disress cause, if you have a witness to these events even better...
Do if you have sufficient evidence of the above, write and record these at the local housing office or with housing officer.. In fact I'd just ask to meet with him or her anyway.. and calmly express your fears about the treatment by your neighbour.. DO NOT go and make claims you can't prove, do not slang him off, just express concerns that YOU 'feel' that your family is being unfairly harrassed unreasonably. (the three year old story with dates would be a good example.)
(remember if you get emotive all people will see is a muscular BLACK MAN, and NOT your points..sad but true, and they will do nothing or worse take his side in this dispute).
I would also cite his demeanour outside his house date and frequency..especially if it is out of keeping with 'normal' behaviour..
However BP...bottomline if you keep on reacting to this man, by verbally abusing him, threatening him (btw telling him to piss off is a treat)..or doing nothing to document the evidence on your side.. He will as sure as night follows day create a onesided case against you and he will make it stick ...too
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Posted: Monday January 16th, 2006 15:15 |
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Total things soo far...that I beleive this man had had a hand in
Rubbish placed on my doorstep...
leaves dumped into my garden.(however the tree is on my side)
I spend a few days in the cumminal garage block fixing up my car with a bredin.....all of a sudden the police started to cruise the garage blaock as part of their partol..
Various notes taped to my garage door... ranging from friends TALKING too loud on there fones to ciggerette butts (I dont smoke)
thius guy also has about 15 cats which he feeds outside and the trays of food attract all kinds of animals and when I told him about it he wasnt happy about it...also the fact I put chilli powder on my doormat to stop the things sitting near my crib..
Aslo tried to cuss my misses out cos she was washing her car when there was a hosepipe ban (which never existsd)
basically your standard "never like em from the start...dont wanna even know their names" bigot..but instead of cussing us out he just complaines about everything and anything to do with us...
but the cool think is the tennancy can be broken in may and we are looking to bounce anyway... just wanna deal with this guy before we move on to a bigger better property.
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Posted: Monday January 16th, 2006 15:23 |
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what does piss me off though its we both work damm hard to be confortable so how the hell can someone try tell me what to do in my crib especially when they DONT work or contribute to society in any way...
infact 2day is my only day off all week as doing a massive grind for a lil while (saving for a beemer...)
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Posted: Monday January 16th, 2006 15:42 |
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Black_power wrote: what does piss me off though its we both work damm hard to be confortable so how the hell can someone try tell me what to do in my crib especially when they DONT work or contribute to society in any way...
infact 2day is my only day off all week as doing a massive grind for a lil while (saving for a beemer...)
If you're going to bounce, then my advice is take it as one of life's lessons and bounce...nuh badda wid him massa...
Second in the UK, your home is not your castle, under common Law you can't just do want you feel like anymore....
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Posted: Tuesday January 17th, 2006 00:21 |
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JUST TO ADD MY 2 CENTS WORTH, BP. IM A YOUTH WORKER IN MANCHESTER WHO DEALS EXCLUSIVELY WITH ANTI-SOCIAL KIDS, AND IN SOME CASES FAMILIES, SO I BELIEVE HAVE A BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ON ASBOS'.
AN ASBO CANNOT BE GIVEN TO A PERSON WITHOUT FIRST A SERVICE-PROVIDER OR AUTHORITY SEEKING IT. EVEN IF IT IS PURSUED, ASBOS' WILL ALWAYS BE INTERIM ASBOS UNITL A HEARING BETWEEN RELEVANT BODIES HAS BEEN CONDUCTED. THESE HEARINGS CAN TAKE UP TO 3 MONTHS. ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR IS CHARECTERISED AS INTIMIDATING, HARRASING OR THREATENING BEHAVIOUR TO A PERSON OR PERSONS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOURE LOOKING TO BOUNCE, BUT IN THE MEAN TIME THERE ARE STILL STEPS YOU CAN TAKE TO TRY AND INSURE THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER BOTHERED BY THIS NEIGHBOUR. EVEN IF YOU LIVE IN A HOUSING ASSOCIATION PROPERTY, YOU STILL HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO SEEK A NOISE ABATEMENT ORDER ON YOUR NEIGHBOUR IF HE IS BEING LOUD. ALSO, IF YOUR COMPLAINT IS WARRENTED AS SERIOUS ENOUGH FOR ENFORCED ACTION, BUT NOT AN ASBO, THEN AN ABC, ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR CONTRACT, CAN BE SLAPPED ON HIS ARSE! EITHER WAY REPORT IT TO THE NEIGHBOUR NUISANCE DEPARTMENT OF YOUR LOCAL COUCIL OR HOUSING ASSOCIATION.
LIKE KUNJUFU SAYS, PLEASE RECORD AND COLLATE ALL INSTANCES OF HIS OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR, PREFERRABLY CHRONOLOGICALLY, AND TRY TO GET THIS EVIDENCE BACKED UP BY YOUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBOURS, BASICALLY ALL WHO ARE EXPOSED TO THIS MANS ABHORRENT BEHAVIOUR. LASTLY, THE CRE WOULD BE A SENSIBLE AVENUE TO PURSUE, BUT I HEARD THAT IT IS BEING ABOLISHED WITH THE GOVERNMENTS FULL BACKING! SO MUCH FOR EQUALITY!
I HAVE NUISANCE NEIGHBOURS, AND THEY ARE SO DAMN RUDE ITS BEYOND A F**KING JOKE! I AM SO GONNA USE EVERY POWER I HAVE, EVERY POLICY I AM PRIVY TO, WRITE TO EVERY DEPARTMENT RELEVANT AND SPEAK TO EVERY COUNCILLOR I KNOW TO GET THAT b**ch AND HER RETARDED MAN OUT!
PEACE AND GOOD LUCK
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Posted: Tuesday January 17th, 2006 08:21 |
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| Make nice and friend up the other neighbours. Don't beg it, just be nice. Don't bad mouth that man to them. Just play the good boy. Try not to bring too many friends around for the short term future while you are collating data.
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Posted: Wednesday January 18th, 2006 21:24 |
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He is in fact harassing you and so you need to make a written complaint (everytime he does something) and send photocopies of the notes, etc. Kunjufu is right, don't play to the stereotype, dot your i's and cross your t's and it doesn't hurt to find out who your community police officer is. Believe me, I know how you're feeling, they build these places so flimsy that you can hear your neighbour pass wind and you just need one clown to start........ They can't touch you if you're not doing anything wrong. It is very annoying, upsetting and hard on the family but once you all agree on a certain form of action (ignoring him, not reacting,etc), it will get to him, these people love to get a rise out of you because you've just got to be 'an ignorant, aggressive, threatening Black man'.
We got one like that round here and not many people like him anyway, and in the end he had to quiet himself.
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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 16:09 |
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Wow, it's amazing how many people suffer this type of behaviour. I had it from my ex-neighbour, and the behaviour was so similar to what you've experienced its eerie. I moved in the end and it turned out that this person had a bad reputation with the local authorities. My headaches from this person stopped the day I moved  . In my experience its better to ignore the nuisance as much as you can (because they love that they are disturbing your life) but do just enough to keep your back covered. Lastly, in my experience the situation only got worse while I still lived there as the persons behaviour got more out of control.
I think this comes with the territory. Many people are stressed out or suffering from mental disorders or they are just evil. It is extremely difficult for the victim in these situations to stop the nuisance from continuing.
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Posted: Friday March 10th, 2006 17:54 |
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Black_power,
Although I don't know the whole story of you you and your neighbor,it seems that he is harassing you( and harassing a three year old baby? That's cold). I don't know about the laws of the land in England, but I would go to the police and file some kind of harassment charges against him. I 'm from the states( an dif only you lived in the states) and depending which state you live in ( Like Illinois),If a precendent have been set it if you feel and can prove that you have been harassed by you neighbor, you can go as far as to get them evicted from their own home( I remembered seeing this on WGN. The case involved a Black neighbor who successful had his White neighbor removed from his home because of racial harassment)> maybe they have something similiar to that in England.
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