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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 17:16 |
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I felt inspired to write this post having just read coments from other users on black history, it loosly relates:
The majority of black British historians tend to specialise in black history, now although the most likely reasons are this this passion is fuelled by their background/heritage.
I get a feeling that there is a great sense of fear in them specialising in more popular areas, which I suppose are deemed as traditionally "white" areas of history. British history for example is predominately white and yet for those of us who are black- british it is also part of our history.
Hope im making sense
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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 17:29 |
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@Cocopops I hope I don't come across as exasperated. Why do women academics disproportionately study matters concerning women. Why is Jewish history almost a complete preserve of Jews?. Why is the study of the holocaust completely monopolised by Jews and other whites etc are fearful to enter these areas and leave them to it.
So they say 6 million and the revisionist are rigth we only have the word of Jews on that, because nobody else would dare to even go there.
This whether you see it or not is another example of the problemising of black people which is part of the process of racist indocrination and dominance which we have taken on.
@By the way what black historians are you talking about? I know many of them and am intrigued to know who you think they are given there is only a handful at that. No more than 5.
Pershaps unlike other people we should leave our history in the hands of others and foreigners and be happy with the images of black women making out with monkeys etc.
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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 17:43 |
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But surely if history is only studied and written by its own race i.e black history by blacks, then surely it also becomes unbalanced and just as perversed as when a white person writes it?
I think some degree of balance is needed
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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 18:12 |
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@Cocopops supposed to be out of here. But I think you need to reflect on what has been said so far. First the myth of pure objectivity is a myth in anybodies hands. The assumption that black people are less objective I would challenge. We are more so because we know the powers of the forces against us unlike whites who can write sh*te and get away with it.
Go and spend good time in an academic library and you will aks yourself how these people obtain their position or qualifications.
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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 20:23 |
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@ Cocopops... I am amazed at your point of references... there s are so much of euro centrics, that pervade the higher institutioins of learning... and as FB pointed out only tiny few of Blackchosed to specialised in black history...
Look at historical distortion about Slavery, The scramble for Africa, the partition of Africa among the European coloniser...
We need more Black lecturers ....to learn teach the essence of of our historical legacy....
Cocopops, stop pandering about the interests of others... no one else advocate for the presence of Black lecturers...We must stop eroding our own opportunities... for your liberal consumption... Go and read "The Wretched of the Earth"- Frantz Fanon and you will be better enlightened.
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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 21:09 |
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surely being learned in the history of the country one live in is a powerful tool.The BNP for example argue that immigrants come to this country and do not care about it, and for example are ignorant ofits history included. A black person or none white who could display a great understanding in the history of the country they live in would prove this wrong.
Now im not saying we should all be nationalistic but surely a black British person can write British history, I cant see whats wrong with this. Are you trying to say that racism prevents them from doing so? or theyre just not intrested.
I suppose this bring up the age old question, what do you feel more tied to your nationality or ethnicity.
I am a liberal and belive that focusing on our ethnic past yes is good but can also be damaging. By focusing on it too much we block out the fact that are as well as being of for example African decent are also British and no longer living in africaLast edited on Thursday January 5th, 2006 21:15 by cocopops
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Posted: Thursday January 5th, 2006 23:24 |
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Cocopops: sorry i have jump into this debate.......because i cannot believe the logic being espoused here?
Obvious questions:
1. Went you 'sense this great fear' is THAT your perception or do you have evidence of this so called 'fear' you talked about?
2. Why should European history be important to someone who is NOT European?
3. Who or what is a Black-Briton?
4. Why would someone history become unbalanced if the people who it involves write about it..I simply don't understand that logic?
Ok Cocopops..taking your logic to its natural conclusion, i would ask you simply this...is there tangible evidence that when people from Briton live anywhere else that they adopt or livev by the rules of their adopted country?
Another question in this country we have people who are Jewish, Muslim and other cultures who are fiercely loyal and devoted to their culture and original nation states...in fact this is even encouraged by the UK.. I cite the recent Iraqi elections where Iraqi's living here were encouraged to vote for a parliament in Iraq..
So my question to is two fold..why do you so eagerly seek to validate yourself, your existence and your mores by English norms? Second who said being a 'Liberal' means that you have to surrender every bit of your identity to fit in... where did this mantra come from and who wrote it?
Oops last point if focusing on the past can be 'damaging' can you explain to me why the focus on TWO world wars is not equally damaging, why the reflection on Nelsons victory at Trafalgar is not equally damaging... but more importantly do you know the purpose of history....finally have you ever tried telling a Jew, a sikh or a Muslim that they are BRITISH and to forget their homelands. if so what was the response?
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Posted: Friday January 6th, 2006 21:56 |
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@Cocopops. I really think you should take a step back or perhaps you can't because no disrespect that is what whiteness does.
You said why can't black scholars write British history? I would suggest most of the best accounts of British history comes from black scholars not white. All black scholars are familiar and often more so than whites of their own history and have to write it and refer to it. If I am writing about the post-war settlement of African-Caribban and African people how can I not write British history.
Was the Second World war started by blacks? Was the slum clearance programmes which followed started by blacks or for them? Or does the fact black scholars emphasis on their people make the history not British. So if I mention the war that is British but if I mention my great great maternal uncles who fought the Germans in France it is no longer British history?
You have also not answered who are all these black historians who are obsessed with black history.
You can resolve these issues or not but Black scholars will what they will do, particularly when it is clear that you are somewhat confused and with respect you would not expect people of that level of education to be persuaded by such ill-considered opinions.
Peace.
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Posted: Tuesday February 21st, 2006 00:26 |
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| What are the names of the "majority of black British historians" who only specialise in "Black history"?
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Posted: Saturday March 25th, 2006 11:30 |
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| I suspected that might be the answer.
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