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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 13:04 |
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Hey ppls.
I'm a Catholic guy (21yrs) and have been dating a Pentecostal Christian (also 21 yrs) for almost two years now. We both met at uni and we get on well. Her family are not too happy bout our relationship (nice way of saying it) but mine are very welcoming. We dont sleep together in fact we dont do anything that could be seen as wrong by either of our faiths but yet her family literally dont wanna know me and I guess are hoping its just a passing crush and i'll go away! But I'm definately in love with her so not goin anywhere anytime soon.
We did have a break up a year ago for a few months because she wasnt sure whether she could take the pressure from her family and also cos she wasnt sure whether it bothered her or not about our different faiths. I was quite upset over this as to me we both believe in the same God and read the same Bible but it just there are differences in the way we worship. Anyways we got back together and been cool since but think there is still the lingering issue about wot will happen in the future if we carry on far as both of us want with regards to marriage and kids.
Just wondering if theres anyone in similar situation and how have u handled it and do u reckon we have a chance in our relationship
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 13:37 |
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I don't think this has anything to do with religion, i think your girls parents just don't like you!!!! (well unless you live in Ireland!).
You love each other so carry on . Maintain the respect you have for her parents, but don't wait for them to like you, 'cause its clear they don't want to. Do your thing!!
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 14:30 |
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Hello.
i can actually understand where your coming from. But without prying, isnt there always going to be a strain on the relationship due to the fact you both worship in different ways? this is a hard one. As i am a pentecostal Christian myself, we strongly oppose the catholic faith. her family seem like they are "old school" and still have alot of control over their daughter. Have you tried visiting her parents church? after all it is one God we are serving. maybe you should show her parents that you welcome her faith and just have faith that they'll do the same. have you tried talking to them? beacuse if they refuse to talk to you, thats wrong! christians are not suppose to carry on like that. Joe dont give up. If you really love her, then that should be enough to fight this. and if your gonna fight, say to yourself, that one day her parents will get use to it.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 15:07 |
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Jesus said two cannot walk lest hey agree. I don't know how a Pentecostal could date a catholic... but then again I can, because Pentecostal is but a tag some people wear. I could never get involved with a catholic as a Pentecostal Apostolic follower.
Catholics are no more than idol worshippers hiding under the guise of christianity. How this girl as gotten involved with you and have not yet hit upon any walls, shows that basically you do not know each other.
Eventually though you both are going to have to work out whether what you both believe is more important than your relationship with God on an individual basis.
Two cannot walk lest they agree...
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 15:10 |
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infact i would go as far as to say God is but a sideline issue in your relationship with this girl. And that is why the parents don't check for you.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 15:15 |
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To say Pentecostalist do not get on with catholics see eye to eye with catholics is about right.
Mary, Mother of God, the Lord be with you.....
Telling me that a Pentecostal sister as not schooled you yet on the blasphemy of the teachings of the catholic church ?
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 15:34 |
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I have to say that with respect, ur attitude as a "Christian" appauls me! I would like to know where you get your baseless claims about the blasphemous nature of the Catholic church from and where on earth your proof is. Have you ever attended a Catholic mass or even had a conversation about Catholic person to try and find out about our so called idol worship? In my opinion you should do so before making accusations that simply are not true!
We read the same Bible friend and God condemned those who worshiped idols at the foot of Mount Sainai before the 10 Commandments were given so why would we Catholics do expressly what God asked us not to? If we are "idol worshippers" and all that the Catholic church teaches is wrong then an awful lot of us in the world are condemned to hell! Unfortunately you are a victim of your own ignorance and ignorance is a very dangerous thing if you have been in contact with racists at any point in your life!
I also have to add that your aggressive nature towards a fellow Christian (both me and my girlfriend) is quite worrying and i question how you went to Church this morning (if in fact you did) praised God and i presume promised to follow all he teaches in the Bible.....hmmmmmm
Did Jesus not say as one of the greatest commandments "Love your neighbour as yourself?"
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 15:39 |
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| Can anyone tell me as a lay person..what the main differences would be between the two religions that would cause conflict.....
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 16:33 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Can anyone tell me as a lay person..what the main differences would be between the two religions that would cause conflict.....
I will try and answer this question as best as I can... First off there are certain teachings of the catholic church that are doctrinal wrong.. I will try and point out a few just to show that the rant I went on earlier as some weight to it. I don't need to go to a mass to know that some things done in that church is wrong.
1) Holy Mary mother of God the Lord is with thee and blessed are the fruit of thy womb.
The catholic church as paid too much reverance to Mary even to the point of worshipping her and bowing down before her..
Mary is not the Mother of God, for God himself is self existant, he as no Mother nor Father and according to scripture comes from Teman... Teman interpreted is "no where".
However Mary is the Mother of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God... and so as I always say things must be taught in context.
God is eternal, in that he as no beginning or ending, but God in the flesh (Jesus) as beginning but no ending. God in the flesh is mighty according to Isaiah but in the Spirit is Almighty... So Mary is not the mother of an Almighty God..
hope i am not getting you confused, i'm just trying to show context.
2). Catholic members, go into those little cubicals and ask forgiveness of the Father for they have sinned.
Jesus teaches, call no man your Father except him that is in heaven. This is according to the spirit and how these people read and still continue to go in and call these men Father is beyond me. And worse ask for forgiveness of sins.. The bible teaches that the Son of man which is Jesus as power to forgive sin, no one else...
3) The Pope, the head of the Catholic church, as a title that makes him the Bishop of Jesus Christ.... this is a title of Blasphemy as Jesus as no Bishop over him... He being God holds no counsel with men....and is Bishoped by no one.
Kunjufu I could go on... trust me..
The Pentecostal Apostolic church is the opposer to the Catholic belief but because it holds so much power in the world, that Catholic church quickly labels all that oppose it as being Occult, which is what they tried to do to the Pentecostal church in the early but could not stop its rise.
4) The catholic church baptises its children... Yet children cannot be baptised as they have not the capacity to believe or to repent. The bible teaches that Jesus blessed the little children. And so in the church I attend, my Pastor always tells us, "I am not baptising this child, I am blessing it" and then he proceeds to pray for the child. He tells the church when the child comes of age to believe and repent, then it can come for baptism.
So there are many fundamental differences, even in what the catholic church teaches, but it keeps its members almost dumb to the true teachings of the bible, And if the do not question that church will not bother to open their understanding.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 16:57 |
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averagejoe wrote: I have to say that with respect, ur attitude as a "Christian" appauls me! I would like to know where you get your baseless claims about the blasphemous nature of the Catholic church from and where on earth your proof is.
My proof of the Blasphemous nature of the Catholic church can be easily found. Try and get a tape by Barry Smith.. This man goes in depth into how the catholic church as become corrupt. How the wolves have crept in, in sheeps clothing and infiltrated that church.
Where did the pompous robes come from that your priests wear . When Jesus himself along with his disciples could not be picked out from one another ?. Judas had to kiss Jesus to distinguish him from the rest for the Roman soldiers.
Have you ever attended a Catholic mass or even had a conversation about Catholic person to try and find out about our so called idol worship? In my opinion you should do so before making accusations that simply are not true!
So all that walking with crosses down the centre of the cathedral in robes, where is all that in the bible ? Where does it teach that a christian is to do these things. The incense burning, the bowing before a cross or picture of so called Jesus ? You don't call these things Idolatry ?
We read the same Bible friend and God condemned those who worshiped idols at the foot of Mount Sainai before the 10 Commandments were given so why would we Catholics do expressly what God asked us not to?
Yes we read the same bible its funny how we get so different results...
If we are "idol worshippers" and all that the Catholic church teaches is wrong then an awful lot of us in the world are condemned to hell!
Hell as enlarged it mouth... Haven't you read. Narrow is the way that leads to heaven but wide is the way that leads hell. So if you find yourself moving with great numbers, question what and why you are following and if it could be wrong. Jesus teaches of the blind leading the blind.. Be careful these parables are to teach you.
Unfortunately you are a victim of your own ignorance and ignorance is a very dangerous thing if you have been in contact with racists at any point in your life!
I have met rascists, but that is not the argument here.. If I met a black cathollic, I would tell him the same thing as I tell a white or asian catholic.
I also have to add that your aggressive nature towards a fellow Christian (both me and my girlfriend) is quite worrying and i question how you went to Church this morning (if in fact you did) praised God and i presume promised to follow all he teaches in the Bible.....hmmmmmm
You know sometimes the softly softly approach don't always do it, and my spirit didn't give me to handle you with kid gloves. John called the Pharisee's a generation of vipers and Jesus called them Whited Sepulchres....
You think those men went home feeling happy about what they heard that day... Just think on it that sometimes the Father chastise whom he loves....
Did Jesus not say as one of the greatest commandments "Love your neighbour as yourself?"
yes he did, but note he said love your neighbour not lust your neighbour. The first is to Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul and mind. The second is not suppose to render the first void....
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 18:03 |
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| I would love to see the day where there would be jus one word to describe the faith, because at the end of the day isn't it all about God & Jesus Christ, why are there so many different names. we spend too much time on the emphasis of these titles. I say you two stick together, u could be soul mates. and if her family does not like you maybe they need to examine their faith because they are no better than you, Catholic or Pentecostal.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 18:24 |
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The Catholic church was the major force in preaching FOR slavery, so for that alone any self respecting black person should not even BE a Catholic nevermind date one!
I think you should ignore her parents, but consider the problems you might have as regards to you two being of different faiths which may become more problematic if you ever decide to have children.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 18:28 |
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Firstly your point about the greatest commandment - the 1st does not render the 2nd void either so perhaps rethink your attitude towards me (A NEIGHBOUR!) Also neither of us are wrong about Loving the Lord your God....etc since both of us do that so I dont think you have a point.
Secondly your superficial description of what happens at Church "The incense burning, the bowing before a cross or picture of so called Jesus ? You don't call these things Idolatry" indicates to me that you know nothing about the reasons why we do these things. You call this idolatory?? I imagine that you keep pictures or objects of close family members in your house to remind you of them whenever you need to. In the same way we do that. These objects serve as a reminder and a focus of our prayer to God and luckily we can have this REMINDER every time we go to Church - there is NO worship of these objects involved. I feel that my accusation of ignorance against u stands quite solidly.
Now as for the priests in the so called "Pompous robes" they wear these robes because they have earned the right to be distinguished from other people in society since they have given their entire life to serving God in EVERYTHING they do. I don't believe many of us can say that - i know i can't because the WHOLE of my day is not taken up with prayer and reflection unlike them - i have to wake up and go to university and study to get the job i dreamed of all my life - and luckily it is one that will serve God in one of the best ways i know! etc.
So yes it is amazing how different our interpretation of the Bible is but the difference between u and I is that I accept this difference and I am in no position to judge which one of is right and wrong, as you seem to have done. The only person who can do that is God himself and unfortunately we must both wait to see if I am damned to hell for being a Catholic. If I had the same view of other human beings as you do I could tell you to be careful of "the blind leading the blind" in the way you worship...but I wont.
Considering your point about this conversation not being about racism I understand that some hardcore racsits believe that black people are stupid and worthless and should be damned to hell for being black. We both know that this is a completely ignorant view....why?? because these people refuse to try and find out what black people are about and that we too are human beings- see the connection? Perhaps one day u will friend - shall pray 4 that!
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 18:35 |
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| I COMPLETELY agree lady laugh. We both worship the same God but do it in different ways. Perhaps certain ppl think we do it the wrong way but as human beings,who are we to judge. Thats all i'm saying.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 19:05 |
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Oh and JUSTAVOICE we believe in the Holy Trinity - that there is God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit then in some way i suppose Mary is the mother of God but this is NOT our belief. As for praying to her again NO CATHOLIC prays TO her. Our prayers are made ONLY to GOD since He's the only one who can answer them but we pray THROUGH her. Just as a child you may have gone to your mother to ask for something cos you always get a better response from your mother and you know she'll be able to convince your father better than you ever could.
Just a lil education for you cos we should never stop learning! (Ignorance AINT bliss)
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 19:13 |
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@averagejoe
So you are my neighbour ? Jesus was asked "who is my neighbour"... Jesus went on to give the parable or story of the good samaritan.
What we have to determine here is, who is the samaritan and who is the man laying in the ditch on the road to Jerusalem after being mugged by thieves ?.
You say we both worship the same God, no i beg to differ...
Is your pope the Bishop of Jesus Christ ?
I have told you, my messiah as no Bishop for him ?.... I'm arguing scripture and titles that your priests and so called high priest's hold.
You are trinitarian, in that you believe in three persons, three God's in agreement... So you baptise Father, Son and Holy Ghost without knowledge or understanding... For your High Priest and those under him, though they dedicate themselves and wear the big robes, have no knowledge of who the three manifestations, not persons are ?.
And yet I go to work and study and do my thing and yet the Holy Ghost teach me these things.
You worship on Sunday @averageJoe.... You call Sunday Sabbath....
Sabbath is Saturday according to Judaism... and in christianity have they taught you that Sunday as no significance to a christian...
Athaba wrote, that it was the catholic church that enslaved black people... Now look at that... Didn't the people read scripture and know that what they did was not christian... Are they all blind sheep ?.
The catholic church is corrupt, and not just now, along time its been in the state it is.
You say the priests are distinguished from the people of society and that they earn this right ? who gave them this authority, how do the people know they have such right ?.
I watched the new pope being picked, by men, but was he picked by God ?. Red smoke bellowing out of the vatican, where in the bible is that written... Pure traditions of men and paganism working itself into the church. Bible says promotion come not from the east or the west, but from God.
Thats why i love seeing all the pomp and glamour of the catholic church and then God will rise up some man out of obscurity to speak righteousness. Martin Luther King Jnr, spoke with an authority that to this day when you hear that voice you know there's something about him.... No pope ever came speaking in power of words like that man. Let the church demonstrate itself through power of Spirit and not vain actions of men.
You may think I judge your church, but i am merely asking you where some of the things they do are written, because it is not in the bible...
The long staff that the pope carries, what does that staff signify ? is he a Shepherd ?. The catholic church teaches that the Pope is next to God, he speaks to God for the people....
However the bible teaches that anyone can come boldly before the throne of God and speak, the partitions be torn down... God will visit each man individually so they need not a Priest to know the things of God, but that the Holy Ghost which is in them will teach them all things and lead them into all truth....
So why these priests and why a pope ?
I'm not here to argue with you, i know in whom i believe... I'm just surprised your girl friend hasn't told you where she is coming from.....
Ask her if she's heard about Asuza street... lets see if pentecostalism is but a tag she walks with or does she understand what she's in.
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 19:55 |
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"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;..." Exodus 20:4-5
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Posted: Sunday September 11th, 2005 20:12 |
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Some more information for you @Averagejoe..
I am not usually a cut and paste person but read, its important.
AUTHORITY...ERROR VERSUS TRUTH
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THE HOLY BIBLE TEACHES 1. Peter was the head of the apostles. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 552, 765, 880)Christ was the head of the apostles. (John 13:13) 2. The bishops are the successors of the apostles. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 861, 862, 938)The apostles had no successors, for to succeed them, one needed to be a witness of Christ's resurrection. (Acts 1:21,22) 3. The Pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 882, 936)Peter had no successor. 4. The bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the Universal Church. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 883, 894-896)Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church. (Colossians 1:18) 5. God has entrusted revelation to the Roman Catholic Bishops. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 81, 86)God has entrusted revelation to the saints. (Jude 3) 6. The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 85, 87)The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church. (John 14:26; 16:13; I John 2:27) 7. The Magisterium is the infallible interpreter of Scripture. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 890, 891, 2034, 2035)Scripture is the only infallible interpreter of Scripture. (Acts 17:11) 8. The Pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 891)God alone is infallible. (Numbers 23:19) 9. The Magisterium alone has the ability and the right to interpret the Scripture. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 85, 100, 939)Every Christian, aided by the Holy Spirit, has the ability and the right to interpret Scripture. (Acts 17:11; I Corinthians 2:12-16) 10. Scripture is to be interpreted in the sense in which it has been defined by the Magisterium. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 113, 119)Scripture must be interpreted in the original sense intended by the Holy Spirit. (II Peter 3:14-16) 11. The Magisterium has the right to define truth found ony obscurely or implicitly in revelation. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 66, 88, 2035, 2051)No one has the right to go beyond what is written in Scripture. (I Corinthians 4:6; Proverbs 30:6) 12. Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 81, 85, 97, 182)Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17;2 Peter 1:20,21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13)
Who is the Vicar of Christ? What is a vicar?
The title "Vicar of Christ" comes from the title"Vicaius Christi", which was used by Emperor Constantine when he teamed up with the Church of Rome. "Vicarius" is translated into English as "vicar" which means "in place of" or "another". Thus..."another Christ". Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) was the first Bishop of Rome to declare himself to be "Vicar of Christ".
Pope Nicholas III (1277-1280) went a step further and claimed to be "Vicar of God", which would be the same as calling himself "another God" (Vicar of God). The term "antichrist" translated into Greek is "vicarius christi", or vicar of christ.
John 16:7-13 tells us: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN, AND OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND OF JUDGEMENT: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgement, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howebeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH is come, he will GUIDE YOU UNTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and HE WILL SHOW YOU THINGS TO COME."
Now you have just heard what the TRUE VICAR would do. He would GUIDE YOU UNTO ALL TRUTH. Has the pope done that? No! As a matter of fact, he has guided his church into all error! In order to be the One that Christ said would come, the pope would have to first of all be in the true Church of Christ. He is not! He is the leader of the largest cult in the world!
The Catholic Church is guilty of shedding innocent blood. She is guilty of preaching a gospel contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Here's a link to explain where exactly the Roman Catholic church is coming from.
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