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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 10:33 |
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I lie, I say I assist with the cashing up of the store, in reality I double checked some bankings
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 10:34 |
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This topic is very importan@ matta
Mabe we can get it moved to the open forum cos it might get lost down here
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 18:47 |
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 19:00 |
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Forum: Can I urge you not to follow Blackmatta's advice, whilst i understand where he is coming from. It is in my opinion very folish to even attempt to lie on your CV these days.. especially in a technology laden 21st Century.
The chances of and the ease on which lies can be exposed in this day and age is significantly lowered than in the last century.. I can say hand on heart that I have either been involved with or have heard of numerous examples where people have been caught out by thier lies and have not only been sacked.. But they have been prevented from working in thier chosen proffession because they have been put on special proffessional register as a lair and a possible risk..
So my advice don't do it especially if your work is bound by reputation and proffessionalism..
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 19:31 |
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 19:48 |
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I agree with you to a certain extent blackmatta, but aren't you really talking about exaggeration rather than lying, which some say may be quite different?
And isn't it standard practise to big up your skills?
To say "I can type at (insert fast speed wpm),
and is computer literate with software programs such as microsoft excel, word, sage and access",
sounds much better than ...
"I can type!"
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 20:04 |
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Blackmatta: Ok point taken, I just needed to make that specific point because I have known people to get catch, in a lie recently.. and I know frommy own profession that it can have far reaching consequences.
That said I would add that if you;re going to use poetic License, you better be able to learn quick, because again I had the recent example of someone who obviously told a few porkies in his CV.. got the job and it was quickly apparent that this person had serious gaps in his capabilities, and he didnt have the ability to brigde that gap quickly, the long and short of it was that he was eventually MARCHED out of the place of work trust me it wasn't pleasant..
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 20:19 |
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 20:29 |
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You and I live in the real world!
I applied for lots of jobs using the 'honest' approach but the fact of the matter is employers have a checklist and if you don't meet it forget it.
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 20:38 |
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@BlackMatta
I think Athaba hit it on the nail its more of exggerating than outright lying and we are all guilty of this at one time or another.
Examples to make simple things sound different.
1. I manage/supervise several members of staff on a daily basis
(reality: I showed them how to operate the "whatever" once by giving them a copy of the fool proof instructions and at the end of the day they let me know they have finished before they leave)
2. Set up numerous procedure and set them in place in order to establish an efficient and effective working environment for all members of staff working closely with health and safety guidelines that all benefits from.
(reality showed them where the filing system is and how it works and made sure its all stored on strong durable shelfs out of the way)
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 20:56 |
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 21:06 |
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I hear you, but what of this dilemma ...
I knew someone who could fix cars like you wouldn't believe but he completely self-taught himself.
It turned out he couldn't read very well (!).
Anyway, for someone like that, what would you say he should do?
For example, how should he lie about his qualifications?
This is where the balance teeters I guess, as on one hand we have someone with no formal written paper qualifications, but can do the job brilliantly.
How can he get his foot in the door if the advert says, for example: "We need people with City and Guilds/NVQ/Degree etc., in ...?
(The actual guy worked for himself btw, but I was just using him as an example).
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 21:19 |
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@BM
I was just giving examples of how you can strecth the truth and made these up but for me personally
Point 1. I wouldn't have to lie about this because I have held managerial positions throughout my career. But in answer to your question from my exgerration I would tackle your answer buy briefly breaking down what the members of staff do and its importance thus exampling my training procedure. As for numbers I would mentioned the amount of staff and include any other member of staff that knows how to use the "whatever" should the occassion arise even if its not their job...thats how I would bump up the figures. Not only would I say they reported to me but I would also add I provided my manager with a staff evaluation periodically as well as having 1 to 1 sessions with my staff.....I would advoid mentioning if they were formal or informal though. Because if you are the person who even gives a person an instruction it is more than likely that your superior will ask you how that person is getting on at some point.
Point 2. Your line of work may not require you to ask any questions on this point but it doesn't mean its irrelevant. If I was interviewing someone for an admin position or being head of an admin environment, this question would prove important. More than likely some interviewers will if not ask how you did this, but make a comment on this that they are open to listen to any procedure you feel you can implement within their organisation that will benefit the running.....something along those lines. Especially if your cv stated how you changed the procedure to one that you implemented that has achieved better results.
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 21:24 |
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 21:27 |
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athaba wrote: Blackmatta
I hear you, but what of this dilemma ...
I knew someone who could fix cars like you wouldn't believe but he completely self-taught himself.
It turned out he couldn't read very well (!).
Anyway, for someone like that, what would you say he should do?
For example, how should he lie about his qualifications?
This is where the balance teeters I guess, as on one hand we have someone with no formal written paper qualifications, but can do the job brilliantly.
How can he get his foot in the door if the advert says, for example: "We need people with City and Guilds/NVQ/Degree etc., in ...?
@Athaba
I know of a few situations like that it sad really because within the work place I have met many more people who have qualifications like gold but are very inadequate to do the job.
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Posted: Sunday April 17th, 2005 22:42 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Forum: Can I urge you not to follow Blackmatta's advice, whilst i understand where he is coming from. It is in my opinion very folish to even attempt to lie on your CV these days.. especially in a technology laden 21st Century.
The chances of and the ease on which lies can be exposed in this day and age is significantly lowered than in the last century.. I can say hand on heart that I have either been involved with or have heard of numerous examples where people have been caught out by thier lies and have not only been sacked.. But they have been prevented from working in thier chosen proffession because they have been put on special proffessional register as a lair and a possible risk..
So my advice don't do it especially if your work is bound by reputation and proffessionalism..
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Don’t you think you are being morally dishonest?
Are you trying to let it be known that you have never exaggerated during an interview or that most people in work today have some rather stiff none embellished curriculum vita otherwise they are caught out by technology? if you are then you are being less than honest yourself and overblown in your estimation of technological capabilities. Why, if you want to be po-faced about this then any form of twisting, exaggeration, or embellishment of CV can be construed as lies and you cant tell me that most people don’t do this so I do not know what you are talking about professionalism and reputation.
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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 00:16 |
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Fiddlesticks wrote: .
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Don’t you think you are being morally dishonest?
Are you trying to let it be known that you have never exaggerated during an interview or that most people in work today have some rather stiff none embellished curriculum vita otherwise they are caught out by technology? if you are then you are being less than honest yourself and overblown in your estimation of technological capabilities. Why, if you want to be po-faced about this then any form of twisting, exaggeration, or embellishment of CV can be construed as lies and you cant tell me that most people don’t do this so I do not know what you are talking about professionalism and reputation.
Fiddlesticks: In answer to your direct question, the answer is No i'm not being dishonest, i've never had to embelish or enhance my abilities or experience on a Job application form, nor do i have to be selective with the truth at interview either.. The truth is i don't have to and i'm properly qualified in my field in fact i'm probably more qualified than most..
I don't lie not because i'm honest, I don't because i don't have to, i simply work hard and do not leave such things to chance or such circumstances ok..you can believe that or not..
And no i do not exggerate the issue of technology, the fact is the jobs where you could circumvent the truth are narrowing by the day.. take Minicabs, once a upon a time all you needed was a license and a car, now you have to be police checked and properly licensed. take door Supervisors (Bouncers to you and me), once a upon a time all you needed was to be big and able to handle yourself, now you need to be policed checked and licensed. Take even a cleaner working in specific public buildings, you can't even get one of those jobs without extensive checks.. Remember Soham and Ian huntley well thanks to him, there will be much more stricter controls on references and identity checks, most employers insist that you bring in a birth certificate and passport as proof of identity..
I know for a fact that more and more employers are using central data bases to cross reference potential employees, i also know some public authorities that wonb't employ you in any capacity if you owe back rent, council tax etc.. So you stay there thinking that you can get away with things..
Remember now that the ID card is on the horizon, do you imagine that this will be restricted to just the justice system, did you not hear Blunkett, he wants to extend its use to prevent health care fraud, Benefit fraud etc.. how long do you imagine before the wrong type of sensitive information will be store on the ID card too..?
Fiddlestick, without wishing to be rude, but I really don't think you're up to speed on the implication of 9/11.. everybodies life will be much more governed by information and cross referencing og different data bases across sectors...
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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 03:29 |
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Seeing this reminds me of a Trader who I know who has now made his way into the lower reaches of "Britains Top 100 Richest Peoples" List.......most things he said gave me "food for thought" and he said to me a couple of years ago......."You do realise that the richer U get ...the more "honest" U get...Don't You??"......lol.....
 Talking of this Guy who'se around a very active 66 Years of age now....reminded me of his stories/anecdotes about "Gypsies" over The Decades all over The South.(which was a recent Topic on Blacknet)....how can I phrase this tactfully...ummm......he was Not impressed apart from their "Business" acumen which he said is often "Second To None".....just try and beat them in their Businesses....you'll have to wait many a long day to gain an "edge" over them......
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Posted: Thursday April 21st, 2005 17:14 |
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I can say lie on your CV don't even worth it the only way you can lie is when you havethe abilities to do something if you are been given the chance, in order word, that is not even lie, you are selling yourself that what you should do in your CV and in your interview...
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