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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:00 |
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| have any of you ever done supply or know anyone who has? How was it? pros? cons?
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:10 |
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I have never done supply work, but I work with supply teachers everyday..They are sent by the agency to our school. They are paid approx £125 per day.
Pros
£125 per day
no paper work
no lesson planning
no class/student obligations
no after school meetings/ parent meetings
no target setting days
can go home a soon as the last bell goes
cons
No stable work contracts
sent from school to school
not able to build up rapport / realtionship with students
students generally have NO respect for supply teachers
in really bad schools supply teachers pretty much get tested to limit by students
term time pay only
hope that helps somewhat...
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:15 |
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Yup, i been checking out the TES site and you pretty much confirmed everything said there. i reckon the pro's outweigh the cons. Only thing is i heard LEA's pay more than agencies as agencies seem to undercut. I was going to register with my three local boroughs (one of which i currantly work for) and a couple of agencies.
Not really looking forward to those days where you just wait for the phone to ring though.
And my worst case scenario would be to go to a school i hated then be like "well it was only one day, at least i don't have to go back there" then have a looooong period without work and the same school calls me back for a term, which i couldn't refuse!! Knowing my luck, it would probably happen...!
Hoping to start in either september or january.
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:18 |
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I thought you wanted to go into secondary teaching?
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:20 |
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| lol with my 5'3 height!?!? no way, primary all the way!!! That is always the ae group i have gravitated towards. And however unPC this may be, i really cannot stand anyone aged 13-19. I could never teach secondary, let alone supply!!
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:22 |
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| Oh ok my bad
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:23 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: Yup, i been checking out the TES site and you pretty much confirmed everything said there. i reckon the pro's outweigh the cons. Only thing is i heard LEA's pay more than agencies as agencies seem to undercut. I was going to register with my three local boroughs (one of which i currantly work for) and a couple of agencies.
Not really looking forward to those days where you just wait for the phone to ring though.
Thats's the only thing that puts me off supply teaching, I need a stable income, I can't be doing with the waiting by the phone thing, we had an ICT supply teacher come to my dept, he was there for six weeks but prior to that he hadn't worked for a month.
And my worst case scenario would be to go to a school i hated then be like "well it was only one day, at least i don't have to go back there" then have a looooong period without work and the same school calls me back for a term, which i couldn't refuse!! Knowing my luck, it would probably happen...!
Hoping to start in either september or january.
So you have QTS then??? What subject? I'm impressed
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:27 |
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I don't have "full" QTS. I graduated in 2005 and took a year out while i considered if i still wanted to teach. The course was so stressful and tiring, it felt good to have my life back.
So technically i should be doing my NQT year. But i want to "ease" into it to be sure it is what i really want to do. You can teach supply for four terms before you HAVE to do your NQT year.
I did my PGCE in primary and the course i was on didn't do subject specialisms.
Thats the b***h about primary - you have to know it all for ages 5-11!! At least with secondary you only need to know one subject, even though you have to teach it for five year groups.
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:45 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote: I don't have "full" QTS. I graduated in 2005 and took a year out while i considered if i still wanted to teach. The course was so stressful and tiring, it felt good to have my life back.
Yes the PGCE is very paper intensive, loads of projects, written work, analysis, we have a pgce student with us... she is so tired from it all.. people under estimate the work involved in becoming a teacher. I did the GPT- at work, that way I got paid every month.
So technically i should be doing my NQT year. But i want to "ease" into it to be sure it is what i really want to do. You can teach supply for four terms before you HAVE to do your NQT year.
Oh I see, didn't know you could do that.
So after all of that training you still not sure if you want to teach??? I love teaching, but unlike you I couldn't teach primary I don't have the patience for how needy the young ones are lol. But I commend you on that though, it takes a special type of person to teach primary, patience of a saint is required. They would fire me on day one in a primary school lol.
I did my PGCE in primary and the course i was on didn't do subject specialisms.
Thats the b***h about primary - you have to know it all for ages 5-11!! At least with secondary you only need to know one subject, even though you have to teach it for five year groups.
Yes that's right you have to know all the subjects...
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Posted: Friday May 5th, 2006 22:59 |
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i applied to do the GTP, but they suggested i do the PGCE instead. i think because the youngest you had to be was 24, and i had just turned that. i guess they figured a more "student" environment would have been better for my age. But i can only imagine how stressful it is to be learning on the job!! I had two placements, the first was six weeks and the last was nine weeks. Now i think it was right that i did the PGCE instead of the GTP,
And, yes, i have a truck load of patience lol I only really get irritated when they don;t listen to instructions/demonstrations then ask what to do. Year 1 is easier to teach in terms of planning and assessment, but it takes them a while to absorb things. Year 6 are just smart asses lol well on their way to "secondary behaviour"!! i would prefer to teach the year groups in between that. Unfortunalty my experience is with those two year groups!
As for not being sure about it after the stress of the course, that is what everyone says (esp. my mother who is particularly vocal about it!) but i always just said better to waste one year than 40 in a career i hate. But to be honest, before the course, all my experience was one to one or small groups, so a class of thirty was a huge change. Just made me question if it is for me.
But now i have had a break i think i am ready for the challenge. I have dug all my teaching stuff out of the garage (where i banished it, never wanting to see it again!!) and am now sorting it into folders, tryng to get organized.
Once i have done that and refreshed my subject knowledge i will be apply to the LEA's supply lists.
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Posted: Tuesday May 30th, 2006 23:01 |
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Fascinating.
Sound just like emergency sub-teaching position.
I took on this about a year ago due to a long bout with unemployment. Since I had a college degree, I could qualify without a teaching certification. (There were also other documents that were needed; medical forms, police record, etc)
The pay was $40/day with an increase to $120/day after completing about 100 days of substitute teaching. Assignment notification was via phone through a computer system that called everyday. Somewhere in the area there was a need, which was good; however considering the pay, my earnings were basically spent on gas and maybe tolls.
My experience was less than rewarding. I was a middle and high school science/math teacher (9-12 years). The students took advantage of no regular teacher present. Upon arriving to school and classroom most of the teachers had a lesson plan available with class assignments for the students.
Among the many rules governing teachers, the most important was to never physically touch any student, for any reason and in the case of an unruly uproar, your only choice was to contact the school security.
I felt really bad for those students; education is important and seeing so many treat it so poorly bothers me.
 
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Posted: Wednesday May 31st, 2006 18:11 |
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dmg wrote: Fascinating.
Sound just like emergency sub-teaching position.
I took on this about a year ago due to a long bout with unemployment. Since I had a college degree, I could qualify without a teaching certification. (There were also other documents that were needed; medical forms, police record, etc)
The pay was $40/day with an increase to $120/day after completing about 100 days of substitute teaching. Assignment notification was via phone through a computer system that called everyday. Somewhere in the area there was a need, which was good; however considering the pay, my earnings were basically spent on gas and maybe tolls.
My experience was less than rewarding. I was a middle and high school science/math teacher (9-12 years). The students took advantage of no regular teacher present. Upon arriving to school and classroom most of the teachers had a lesson plan available with class assignments for the students.
Among the many rules governing teachers, the most important was to never physically touch any student, for any reason and in the case of an unruly uproar, your only choice was to contact the school security.
I felt really bad for those students; education is important and seeing so many treat it so poorly bothers me.
Is this DMG from WACAN?
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Posted: Thursday June 1st, 2006 15:54 |
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TheDogon, you coulda asked that question without quoting the entire post, but anyway...
Yay, i am now signed up with two agencies! One of them doesn't mind if i continue with my other job, the other one i forget to tell about it(!) Both have said they might be able to get me the odd day here and there before the end of the school year. Great because i sorely need the money, not so great because i am completly unprepared! Esp when you consider supplies never know whether they are going to be with lower set year one to top set year six from one day to the next! But i guess that is part of the adventure (At least that is how i'm choosing to look at it lol)
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