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Posted: Wednesday October 12th, 2005 08:12 |
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Greetings Everyone,
There are a lot of places that claim that they invest in their people but the reality is that they would prefer their employees to just do their job. I know many who aren't satisfied with their jobs mainly because there is no real progression route or opportunities for growth.
So I wonder... are you encouraged to learn and practice more skills where you work? If not are you finding any alternative ways to learn?
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Posted: Wednesday October 12th, 2005 17:36 |
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Posted: Wednesday October 12th, 2005 18:21 |
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Maat wrote: Greetings Everyone,
Greetings again.
There are a lot of places that claim that they invest in their people but the reality is that they would prefer their employees to just do their job.
True. In some occupations, the employer has a responsibility to update you in order for you to continue to work (lawyers/doctors/accountants, for example)..But in most jobs, you learn best by doing the job anyway so there is a logic. Still true that in the UK at least, most firms don't do anything like enough to develop their people.
I started work nearly thirty years ago, and for the first half of my working life my employers (I had a few) were prepared to pay for me to do college/university courses, so I did something every three or four years. I'd be amazed if the same were to happen in today's world.
I know many who aren't satisfied with their jobs mainly because there is no real progression route or opportunities for growth.
Like BlackMatta said, the responsibility for getting on is largely yours. Doing something about it is often easier said than done - people have commitments and stuff so walking away from jobs ain't always easy. But particularly for us, getting on is something we have to take charge of for ourselves.
I would go as far as to say that if you need to pay for something yourself to make yourself more marketable, do it within your means. The more eggs you got in your basket, the more bargaining power you have.
So I wonder... are you encouraged to learn and practice more skills where you work? If not are you finding any alternative ways to learn?
I think the essential skill is to understand how you best learn. In my experience it involves a combination of study, doing, and reflection - and we are all better at some of those than others. If you know how you best learn, it gives more flexibility in how you organise and support yourself in your work.
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Posted: Wednesday October 12th, 2005 23:22 |
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Maat wrote:
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Electronics and computers aren't what they used to be back in the 70s when I got into it. It is a combination of better and worse. I bought electronic kits from Heathkit and built them, now Heath is out of business and the electronics is so dense it is harder to work on. But now there are computers to do things that couldn't be done in the 70s or if it could it would cost FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
I had to find stuff myself. Here are some sources that can save you a lot of time.
Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/book-reviews/teach-yourself-electricity-and-electronics.htm
http://www.contractor-books.com/MG/Teach_Yself_Elec.htm
The Art of Electronics by Horowitz & Hill
http://www.artofelectronics.com/
Electronics Workbench - electronic circuit simulator
http://www.electronicsworkbench.com/edu/eduhom.html
HOW LINUX WORKS by Brian Ward
LINUX DESK REFERENCE by Scott Hawkins
PHP, MySQL AND APACHE by Julie C. Meloni
POINT & CLICK LINUX! by Robin 'Roblimo' Miller
http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=howlinuxworks
http://www.informit.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0130619892&redir=1
http://www.samspublishing.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0672327252&rl=1
http://www.phptr.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0131488724&rl=1
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ps - I have found some errors in the Meloni book. Email me if you are interested
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Posted: Thursday October 13th, 2005 21:22 |
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The meaning of the term investment in this context is often stretched to the limit and some jobs involve negligible risk on the part of the employer in taking on staff.
I'm not sure what you mean about negligble risk, please ellaborate. I think what I should have stressed is the investors in people standards http://www.investorsinpeople.co.uk/IIP/Web/About+Investors+in+People/Investors+in+People+Standard/default.htmto train staff and develop their staff.
No. I see that as my own responsibility and I choose what I do and learn. I see to it that I am not discouraged....or 
I agree. Do you take part in training at work and are you aware of all the opportunities available to you within the work place?
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Posted: Thursday October 13th, 2005 21:41 |
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Did an apprenticeship with big company. I strongly recommend them so much because of the training I recieved. Even though I'm no longer with them I gotta say the training I recieved was first class. The basic of the schedule was observation of technician which simply meant following a guy around and watching what he did. These guys would explain everything and teach you how it is done in practice. The training manager then set you tasks. You had a log book to show all the faults you worked on and how you solved them. The most important thing though was the working procedure (which believe me is a minefield). Then you has one day a week to do day release in college (all paid for) to learn you theory. Then every now and again they sent you on courses. These courses would cost an individual £1000s but were all paid for by company for me. I still hold certificates in all sorts of machinery and theory as well as other things I can still put on my CV like the first AID course, presentation and public speaking and all sorts of other funny things I wouldn't have thought to do. I really think more people should look into doing things like that. The mix of real practical experience and theoretical paperwork as well as bonuses is not to be sniffed at.
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You can read all the theory and physics but I've found that with electronics the best thing is to actually play with stuff. Buy those kits where you put together radios and things while learning how they work and move on from there. When you play with the components and see what they look like, how to read resistors and capacitors for example and recognize what part of a circuit does what it becomes even more intetesting. Nothing like fiddling with a fuse box or messy peice of old jumbled trunking to amuse you and show you whats what LOL
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Posted: Thursday October 13th, 2005 23:54 |
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Posted: Monday October 17th, 2005 11:49 |
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@BlackMatta: LOL No I wasn't joking at the time but I just read back what you said. I think that when employers don't want to take a risk in the people it employs, they then can spend a lot of time and money on recruitment and lose a lot of good people because they didn't want to take that risk.
@SoulRebel: Nowadays there's more focus being put on training and devlopment but it's convincing the people at the top about the benefits of developing people. Where I work it is possible to go on many courses as long as it's related to the job you're doing. That limits what people can do and some don't find alternative ways or perhaps they don't want to . When they do go on the courses and feel they are limited in their role, they don't always see opportunities to get the experience themselves.
I agree that it is the responsibilty of the individual ultimately to learn but this can take the focus off the employers responsibilty to develop their people too. It can be hard to find alternative ways to learn and so true about finding the best way we learn. It's not nice seeing people who feel they can't achieve their goals somehow, so hearing about situations such as yours is very helpful.
@umbrarchist: Thank you for all the links and references . Electronics isn't my field bit I'm sure this information will be of great use to anyone who field it is.
@DrunkMonkey: How refreshing to hear of this apprenticeship. I think mixing theory and practice is one the best ways to learn. Funny how some professions (like medical and legal) see this way of work more important than others . It would be great to hear from more who have taken part in these things.
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Posted: Wednesday October 19th, 2005 19:28 |
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Maat wrote: So I wonder... are you encouraged to learn and practice more skills where you work? If not are you finding any alternative ways to learn?
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That depends on your industry. As an electrical engineer, I may have to learn a new software package every few years, but the fundamentals of my job do not change. If it did, then that would mean the laws of physics changed as well.
My company does offer 100% college tuition reimbursement, but am undecided whether another degree would help my career.
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Posted: Wednesday October 19th, 2005 20:18 |
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TUC claims bias hits job training (please click for more)
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