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Posted: Monday May 9th, 2005 18:20 |
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So everyone has it uuh? I mean I know about 15 pple (they area all blacks) with no highly paid jobs though they all have MBA's and sometimes I tell them that here in UK they dont value them that much but why not try jobs outside UK but seems there is an obsession with working for Vodafone and BT
Organisations like black MBA are they really doing something about this huge list of black MBA graduates in UK or its juts another black organisation that gets funding the govt like OBV
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Posted: Thursday May 12th, 2005 09:28 |
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| Not sure as I'm not from the UK but I do believe any form of higher education is beneficial. Have you thought about looking for jobs abroad?
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Posted: Thursday May 12th, 2005 15:55 |
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I"m finishing up my MBA now and hope to reap benefits... SOON.
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Posted: Thursday May 12th, 2005 18:42 |
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queenbee wrote: Not sure as I'm not from the UK but I do believe any form of higher education is beneficial. Have you thought about looking for jobs abroad?
nah I was working abroad for long and I am in UK now but then again I think most UK Graduates should look beyong this small island-especially if they are black
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Posted: Friday May 13th, 2005 18:04 |
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As far as I am aware, whites have no difficulties getting jobs once they hold an MBA from a respected institution. It would be interesting to know where these people obtained their qualifications, what they were doing before, and it it was they intended to do afterwards.
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Posted: Saturday May 14th, 2005 01:14 |
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@Coltrane. We have the same problem back home. In fact one of my family were complaining how useless this qualification is in the real world. She has one, but she said most of the students they recruit cant do practially f**k all. There is a wonderfful article in the Harvard Business Reveiw which says can the average MBA holder run a hot dog stand better traditional entrerpenuer and it concluded no. They had good training but it has little value in those terms.
I think it is a good course of education but people havve to realise what it is and what it isn't. Don't mean you can run and manage a business better than somone who hasn't got one.
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Posted: Sunday May 22nd, 2005 18:16 |
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Fredblack wrote: @Coltrane. We have the same problem back home. In fact one of my family were complaining how useless this qualification is in the real world. She has one, but she said most of the students they recruit cant do practially f**k all. There is a wonderfful article in the Harvard Business Reveiw which says can the average MBA holder run a hot dog stand better traditional entrerpenuer and it concluded no. They had good training but it has little value in those terms.
I think it is a good course of education but people havve to realise what it is and what it isn't. Don't mean you can run and manage a business better than somone who hasn't got one.
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Coltrane,
Seems that the need for MBA's is cyclical.Many businesses today want real world experience coupled with an MBA,instead of the degree by itself.
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Posted: Sunday May 22nd, 2005 18:22 |
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| I just think we black people love our comforts too much if u had an MBA and went back to africa or the carribean u would easily get a highly paid job and a quality of life that surpasses what we have here in the Uk and US
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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 20:37 |
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| Yes, I do believe companies are asking far too much from applicants... they want you to be 'superwoman/man', and have many exciting stories to tell and adventurous hobbies (like sports; rowing, white water rafting) when you know that is not how they got their jobs, and be individual...in what way... you don't know what will please them... Back in their day, it was probably a lot of old boy networks and "Do you have a degree", "Yes", "Then you're hired". LOL. They want you to be 'overly well rounded'........ ....... ......... ........ ......... ........ ........ ........ ...... ...... ........ ........ ........ ....... ...... ........ ...... ...... ....... ....... ........ ...... . Blaq...Elaborate on the quality of life that you suppose one could get... in your opinion what would one be sacraficing though, if they left the west? (apart form their current job) Is the competition as tough in these other continents and countries?
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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 21:13 |
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Coltrane,
I hear there is a very low glass ceiling for Blacks in the UK, a while back I read an artcle on a Black UK news site. What is the black business spirit like there? I would guess that many a Black MBA would simply take that knowledge back to their ancestral land and make major paper. There are opportuniites just waiting to be developed in the Caribbean and Subsaharan Africa. If not for the ample opportunities in the USA I'd chance things in my ancestral homeland of Haiti.
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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 21:42 |
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| This is very scary as I was thinking of starting one next year. They cost about £9000 so will it be worth it?
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Posted: Thursday May 26th, 2005 07:59 |
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COLTRANE wrote: So everyone has it uuh? I mean I know about 15 pple (they area all blacks) with no highly paid jobs though they all have MBA's and sometimes I tell them that here in UK they dont value them that much but why not try jobs outside UK but seems there is an obsession with working for Vodafone and BT
Organisations like black MBA are they really doing something about this huge list of black MBA graduates in UK or its juts another black organisation that gets funding the govt like OBV
LETS TALK...
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Why not create their own jobs and build their own society. They are MBA graduates. Our problem is that slavery conditioned black people to be dependant on their master, even for a job. So unite, organized and create our own economy. Start by buying black own products and putting the money back into our own economy to empower ourselves. Suggestion teach children to nuture by planting a tree in your backyard, or having a plant in their room. Make sure it is well taken care of and that it flourishes. Heh! its just a grassroot idea .
Trickle down all that knowledge back to your own culture, empower Africa and the Carribean. Thats what MBA is all about. United we stand - Divided we fall.
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Posted: Thursday May 26th, 2005 16:03 |
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Yes Vivi..ideally I feel to gather experience in the industry first, make contacts, and then set up on your own... things are a bit harder these days because the first industires started really small and from nothing and got to grow with the industries with changing technology and markets... so then when you have the experience .... you won't use your resources badly and hopefuully get it right the first time and grow from there. At the minute life is good... that why I why I was wondering what blaq could say was in store for me, elsewhere. ...... ..... ...... ...... ....... ......... ....... ....... ....... ....... ........ ....... ........ ....... ....... ...... ...... ........ ....... ....... ....... ....... .......As far as a higher standard of life goes... this may be relative... at the minute rent, bills and leisure are 1% per month of my salary (around 10% per monthly pay)....I have a nice place and I am free to spend or save the rest... other things are OK. I mean, I'm sure there are people in those countries who compete for those very jobs as well, what would it be like for others.. I guess it would depend on what type of industries that are saturated or growing, the strength of the currency etc. I guess it is for those seeking jobs. Blaq... you say people love their comforts too much... what are they? but what are these comforts that they would be sacraficing on going abroad?...this higher standard of life... what would it constitute of? what is your definition of a higher standard of life? do a comparison if you will  ... I'm interested...Last edited on Friday May 27th, 2005 08:00 by calisto
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 14:19 |
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Folks,
The gaining of knowledge is a wonderful thing, but how you use this knowledge is the key. Also remember that an MBA is a fantastic qualification, but it doesn't automatically turn you into a business expert and it also doesn't help you to rise above all the other obstacles (environmental, economic, racial, organisational, etc) to career success.
My MBA - together with my experience - has helped me to get some great jobs, but it hasn't helped me to keep them; I've been made redundant 4 times(!) (twice during and twice since completing it), because of problems in the company or the industry in which I was working. Yet in each company I received promotions/more responsiblilty as a result of my quality of work.
In addition, there are soooo many (poor quality) MBA programmes around now that the qualification - much like first degrees - has become devalued. Gone are the days of the 80s/'90s, when an MBA graduate could literally write his/her own cheque. And I've met too many MBAs who didn't have the simple commonsense or people skills that comprise about 80% of successful business management. They had the qualification, but were hopeless in real-world situations.
I'm now in a lower paid job in a public sector organisation. Two weeks ago I interviewed for a senior executive role in the organisation, heading up a new commercial arm of the organisation. I was told that my experience and personality test results showed I was a perfect fit for the role and was one of 2 people selected for a final interview. Unfortunately, I already knew the other guy was going to get it, because he had been telling people he would be getting this promotion, 2 weeks before the vacancy was even advertised! Funnily enough, the job spec asked for a business qualification and he doesn't have an MBA...
Someone has already said it - the key is to start our own companies, and that is certainly my focus. I was in a meeting with a (Black) ex-Wall street exec. last week and she said that when she worked there, they taught her the Golden Rule:
"He/She who has the Gold, Rules!!!!"
Its that simple really - we need to make our own money. To create true wealth and power in the Black community, we need to start our own companies. Having an MBA can help, but having an entrepreunerial spirit and being willing to take that leap is much more important. I sit here with 2 degrees, a wealth of high level management experience and a big overdraft! Meanwhile, some of my "no hoper" schoolfriends have become very successful through sheer hard work and grabbing opportunities.
Too many of us are still constricted by a lifetime of parental indoctrination - the belief that education is the key to success. We need to change this message - education itself is only a small part of the equation...
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Posted: Thursday August 11th, 2005 23:13 |
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| lots of jobs and need for MBAs here in the United States
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 01:35 |
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People just hire whites and asians. Less hassle, and they wont walk out 2 weeks later. What I was told when I asked a friend who runs a small scale software house in Surrey.
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 07:58 |
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crispus_attucks wrote: People just hire whites and asians. Less hassle, and they wont walk out 2 weeks later. What I was told when I asked a friend who runs a small scale software house in Surrey.
Crispus_attucks: very cute, you seem to make many snide comments; seemingly innocuous little comments such as this all over the site..
I hope for your sake that this is another of those 'funny' little tongue in cheek 'jokes', but any further off topic barbs that you make that seek to undermine particular fractions of the Black community will not be tolerated...
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 13:58 |
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 14:32 |
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| why blacks don't try to create their own businesses ?
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 18:03 |
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That's a tad unfair.
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Posted: Friday August 12th, 2005 18:12 |
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| there are many black businesses, i dont know where you live but here in the US blacks do open businesses
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Posted: Saturday August 13th, 2005 07:39 |
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| how about the A+ exam do you think that is beneficial or even the ethical hacker exam
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 20:46 |
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COLTRANE wrote: So everyone has it uuh? I mean I know about 15 pple (they area all blacks) with no highly paid jobs though they all have MBA's and sometimes I tell them that here in UK they dont value them that much but why not try jobs outside UK but seems there is an obsession with working for Vodafone and BT
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....whats an MBA?
why would you need one to make more money?
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 20:53 |
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it is a Master degree in Business Administration--a top University graduate school degree in Business
needed for working in the executive positions in Large multinational and national corporations
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 20:57 |
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tuckerreed wrote: there are many black businesses, i dont know where you live but here in the US blacks do open businesses
i leave in france and black businesses are rare...
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 21:01 |
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| ok, i live in the US and there are many black businesses and black leaders of big companies
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Posted: Tuesday August 16th, 2005 21:29 |
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tuckerreed wrote: ok, i live in the US and there are many black businesses and black leaders of big companies
there in france, government put everytime black people down. so there is no black on the tv for example. only blacks you could see are sport players and humorists. the goal of that is to control us. when a black as me finishes his studies, he always have to work for whites...
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