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Posted: Thursday May 5th, 2005 18:03 |
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Looking for a graduate job was probably one of the hardest things Ive ever had to do. Coming out of uni I thought yeah I got my degree getting a job would be a piece of cake...Boy was I wrong...Not only do you have to submit and application form that stands out from the rest ...But you cant even get that far if you dont have about 24 UCAS points a 2.1 in your degree and at least a A-C in maths and english GCSE.
One of the things that angered me was my own ignorance and I dont think my university made us aware about what the recruitment process actually consists of.
Anyway I got plenty of replies to my applications forms, then I received phones calls testing my compentance to see if I could talk the talk....passed those also then was invited for numerous assessment centres...now this is where it got particularly hard as now your up against other grads in person and they fighting for the same job...its crazy and cutthroat... Basically consisted of group excerises (where they tested your ability to work as part of a team), case study and presentation, aptitude tests (this was an abdolute nightmare especially if you hadnt studied maths since GCSE...you would have to answer 32 maths questions in 35 minutes and your scored had to be high...the questions were damm hard!)you had to do role plays and much more...After the failing 3 assessment centre I passed the last one and got the graduate job of my dreams!
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Stylishsista is that you ... is it really you ..........where you been girl  ..........LUCAS is going to be so happy that your back.......you are back ain't you 
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Posted: Saturday May 7th, 2005 17:31 |
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Hi stylish sista,
I am in the same boat as you. I only got 20 points at A-level but will be getting a 2.1 honours degree ( i hope). I finish my exams in a weeka dn finding it sooooo hard to get a job. Where did you apply to? I am looking for something in the finance sector. I am studying actuarial science.
Have you got any advice or recommendations?
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Posted: Saturday May 7th, 2005 18:25 |
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@ adams
ernsat and young, price waterhouse coopers, they say 24 ucas points but they might be flexible to someone who has 20 if you have the right experience
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Posted: Saturday May 7th, 2005 18:33 |
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| On PWCs website they specify the points and I have tried but to no avail. I actually would like to work for PWC or Ernest Young. I worked at the Bank of England for over a year, but that isnt enough it seems.
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Posted: Saturday May 7th, 2005 18:51 |
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try centrica. They got a scheme deadline 30.6.05, the questions arent too bad too answer and they have a finance stream where they pay 22,00 rising to 34,000 after qualification, etc
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Posted: Saturday May 7th, 2005 21:28 |
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I believe anyone who relies on they're degree for Anything--- except for specialised jobs like becoming a doctor or a lawyer,---
.....in this day and age.....is a FOOL!
The market is saturated with young people with degrees. And its getting more and more clustered.
People doing degrees now, have to be focassed like a lazer beam on exactly what they want after Uni, and be prepearing for it, from YEAR 1, i.e getting the nessacary training real world work experience.
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Posted: Saturday May 7th, 2005 21:42 |
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jason, your correect
I didnt know that when I was doing 1 but guaranrtee you this, every1 I know who doing degree is hearing what u said. I force them to hear what I'm saying
GET THAT f**kING EXPERIENCE
Even if you have to pay the mother f**kers to hire you then do it, its so important.
If you foing finance
Master Excel, Sage, Poeplesoft, Access, etc. So important
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Posted: Sunday May 8th, 2005 18:16 |
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Hello All,
@ Mafdet Yes it Stylishsista it has been a long time but am back now...thanks for noticing it is nice to hear from you also.
@ adamsrib Hi I actaully applied to IT firms such as CSC, Capgemini, Fujitsu ...but actually got a job at Lloyds TSB graduate programme as a Management Trainee, in the Group IT dept (I liked it the most as its not to technical as the other roles I had applied for). It was the job I had wanted so I turned down the interviews and assessment centres at other firms (Acenture, rhyme systems, logica cmg.
Luckily for me I actually got 24 UCAS points and that only because I did 3 and a half A-Levels, but at the time I had no idea that recruiters had such strict requirements for graduate schemes. It does eliminate some really good candidates.
I was also fortunate in that I did a sandwich degree so in my 3rd year of uni I worked, I even continued through my final year part time and have only recently handed in my notice.
But the getting a job part was harder than getting a degree partly because you are on your own competing aganist soo many other grads, and the sheer volume of applicants is the main reason the process is soo tough.
My advise to you would be to try and do an internship of some voluntary or paid work experience or even shadowing. This will give you the neccessary skills to get a grad job!
Good firms to apply for finance are the big 4 pwc, ernest and young, kpmg, jp morgan. Or even citibank, zurich, the big four banks hsbc, rbs, hbos, lloyds tsb etc (they will still consider you if you have 20 UCAS points, but you will need to stand out)
If you need any advise let me know! Wishing you all the best!
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Posted: Thursday June 2nd, 2005 16:12 |
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I trained on the finance scheme of a FTSE 100 company about 4 years ago. I am quite happy to give advice, tips etc on the recruitment process as I was subsequently involved in its development for our graduate programme
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Posted: Thursday June 2nd, 2005 16:37 |
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I always hear this from recent grads. Guy I know keep going through the same thing.
A wise man learns from others mistakes.
Thats why I've started interning and working entry-level positions. Entry-level positions seem to be helping a lot of folks I know.
Also don't forget to think of a side hustle to make some extra cash. 
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Posted: Thursday June 2nd, 2005 19:15 |
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| This is a bit of the subject but my advice for anyone in uni tryin to get a graduate job, a lot of companies offer summer jobs where u work in team or in a position and depending on how well u do u can offered a job for when u finish. The best place to contact will be either your uni placement office or the careers center in your local library.
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Posted: Thursday June 2nd, 2005 19:46 |
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@Blaqmale
I hear you on the summer jobs, althoug I am only on my first year, I am aware of the competition, and especially my degree and my future job is VERY technical field of research and development, i am aware it is more harder, since their is no such thing as trainee management in my field, so instead i networked, i called the company, and i sold myself, i did everything myself, regardless of whether they have graduate shemes or recruiting or not. Eventually I got a few replies and negotiated salary and what exactly i am looking to do and how to incorporate in the work place for a short period of time,
know your client, know your field, know what you are looking for and be pro-active
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Posted: Thursday June 2nd, 2005 20:12 |
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@ All degree and advanced degree holders:
Ever thought about taking that knowledge and going to a Black nation and putting that skill to work. I'm certain business startup costs are lower in Ghana than say... England.
I've read that there is an extremely low Glass ceiling there as well. Where is the Entrepreneurial spirit at? We can't simply go to school just to work for others.
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Posted: Friday June 3rd, 2005 15:35 |
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| @Baron very good point!
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Posted: Friday June 3rd, 2005 22:20 |
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Hey baron. All I'll say is that some people are more entrepreneurial and others are not. Some people don't have that desire to start their own business, whereas some do. Some people would be quite happy to work for someone else. Some people may even wish to work for a company to gain an understanding of how business works before starting one up, as opposed to just taking the plunge straight out of uni. Then there's the financial aspect. Already up to £20000 in debt, how many graduates would want to risk a further £100,000+ starting up a business that may fail? Or that may even succeed... it's just that risk.
Not to say that starting up a business is a bad idea, of course.
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Posted: Tuesday June 7th, 2005 13:06 |
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I was soo shocked to find I was the only black person at the assessment centres I attended. I craved soo much to see at least one of my own. Why is it such a rarity? There are plenty of capable black brothers and sisters out there who would do a fantastic job!
If I am successful I plan to do talks and such the like to reach out to black brothers and sisters so that they can also achieve a grad job!
I am also quite nervous about the looks I got from the white men who were interviewing me. They seem to like the aura of a black woman, just get scared that I may be put in an uncomrtable situation when I start the job. In my previous job in marketing, I already felt violated by these guys, inappropriate touching looking etc!
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 08:55 |
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then, of course, there's what business to actually start up!!
But what I was going to ask was; has anyone been to the Graduate Recruitment Fair at Earl's Court? Found out about it and heard it was going on yesterday and today. I know this is kinda short notice, but I'm going to try sneak in!
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 12:43 |
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| Although I have a job...I am also going! See you there!lol
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 14:52 |
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stylishsista wrote:
...But the getting a job part was harder than getting a degree partly because you are on your own competing aganist soo many other grads, and the sheer volume of applicants is the main reason the process is soo tough.
@ Stlyishsista
Nice to have you back
You hit the nail on the head there. The sheer competition these days is indeed a problem. Speaking from the perspective of an employer it sometimes seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry has a degree (and not just a basic pass) for even the most routine of positions.
What it means is that there is little to no chance of even getting a look in if you haven't got a degree of note when you apply to start with. However, graduates need to be aware that they can't just think 'I have my degree so I am in' sort of thing. They need to be aware that they have to demonstrate that along with that degree comes a fairly rounded individual a bit further removed from your general run-of-the-mill degree-waving applicant.
This means working on the YOU part. How you present yourself (albeit on paper initially) to perspective employers becomes paramount in this game. Look on degrees as you would bust size (excuse the analogy). A good degree, like a big bust may get you noticed (initially) but if it seems that is all the person has (i.e. no character or personality) it's a case of 'NEXT PLEASE'. That's what happens when something seems to be 10 a penny. Like big bust, degrees these days are becoming 10 a penny.
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 16:32 |
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Sorry to put a dampener on that theory.
All I can say when it comes to Ghana and business, always have a stupidly big amount of miscellaneous funds for the 'chop your money' brigade available in all good businesses, schools, friends and families there!!
My mother is still schmoozing a government minister to get the go-ahead for her business. She started the process 2 years ago and she lives there!!
my own 7 taxpaying years there had it's fair share of deficit too!
I love my country though. JUST HAVE YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN..X
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 18:47 |
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Backatya.
Very few people could make a comparison to holding a degree and having big breasts. I have to say that you've pulled it off in stunning fashion!!
Stylish.
So how'd you find the fair? Anyone going to tempt you away from Lloyds?
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Posted: Wednesday June 8th, 2005 19:10 |
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That fair was heavy, sat in a dope seminar about networking. The thing with these fairs@ untitled is that once you pick up the prospectu, you dotn need to see any1 because all there websites are inthhe book and they only direct you to the websites anyways
Its only worth it for the seminars
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 09:26 |
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| Lol my friend and I got there at 4...when it was finished! I couldnt believe it...black people eh!
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 16:10 |
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Cash, I totally agree with you that all they do is send you back to the website. But the whole point of going - or at least, the whole point of my going - was to speak to someone who could give that morale boost. Kinda like, "Hey, I'm here. You can do it too. It ain't that bad." Sitting in front of a PC day in and day out can be a bit demotivating. So I just wanted to have a random chat to a few people who have a few pointers (before they say, "...but all of what I said is on the website.")
Stylish. Poor you, but hey, sh*t's gon' happen if you're act black like that!!! It was a good fair though. Didn't sit in on any of the seminars though. Just walked from stall to stall, randomly wondering which of the many black peeps there could be from this place!!
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Posted: Thursday June 9th, 2005 16:23 |
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| untiled there a fair 22-23rd of June in the Islington Business Centre
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